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Ah, I think we're at least partially on the same page. To me, considering the consequences of my actions is just good sense, that doesn't make me an utilitarian. Utility is subjective and ordinal, not cardinal. That means you can't do math with utility, and you can't even meaningfully compare it between individuals. That's more than enough for me to disqualify Utilitarianism from being taken seriously.

[ajuc]

Would you agree there's a way to quantify preferences for people so you have:

Preference(person, one_thing, other_thing) and it returns -1, 0 or 1 depending on what that person prefers?

You can do math on this and try to optimize it, it's just more complicated than if utility was cardinal and objective.