[lukevp]

They’re also not engineered to the standards of an iPhone either. The cost comes from somewhere… everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones.

I get it, android phones have a better cost/benefit for you. Some people prefer the tradeoffs that Apple makes, like privacy, quality materials, a different OS, battery life, etc.

[BoiledCabbage]

> everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones

Yes because they had no choice! Apple literally gave them no choice to select to use a 10 year old technology. Something that has been standard in Samsung Galaxy phones since 2017.

Unless they were willing to give up an entire ecosystem they had invested thousands of dollars in have purchased apps, have their data stored everything.

It's Stockholm syndrome.

It's almost as bad as the comment above saying "yah it's reasonable to need to pay for the Pro version for USB 3.0"!

And we all know if Apple had launched with USB 3.0 6 years before the competition and called it lightning 2.0, users old never stop talking about how necessary it is, and how Apple so incredibly caters to the needs of their users and how big a difference is it.

I don't know how they do it, but that company gets people to blindly believe whatever they're told. And rationalize away any terrible decision.

There is only one other consumer company that I've seen get away with that.

[jacob019]

I agree with what you're saying, yes Apple is a terrible value; but Apple customer's don't seem to care about that and I'm not sure if it's really cause for outrage. I also doubt that most customers will even notice the difference. It is quite rare that I connect a cable to a phone for data transfer, and when I do, if I have a 2.0 cable nearby I wouldn't bother reaching any further for a 3.0 cable, even if the phone supports the faster speeds. Even if I'm loading up some movies for a flight or something, practically speaking it's such a rare event that I would just initiate the transfer and grab a snack or something. It's pretty obvious why they did this, I'm not sure it's such a bad engineering decision really, to make the best of the silicon they already have. And for users who actually do care, the ones who are lurking on HN, they are compelled to spend more for the speed.

[turquoisevar]

You managed to entirely miss their point in response to complaining about iPhone pricing.

Namely that there are other factors that justify the cost of iPhones v. the cost of low to midrange Androids.

The proper counter to that would be for you to give examples of a low to midrange Android, at that low to midrange Android price, that is able to match the specs and build quality of an iPhone, besides USB speeds.

Alternatively you could also concede that they have a point of course.

[brokenmachine]

They don't care about USB 2.0 because they're so brainwashed with crippled devices that they think that iCloud is necessary to get data from their phone to their PC.

Drunk on kool aid.

[turquoisevar]

Yeah it must be the kool aid and not the fact that the average iPhone user barely ever transfers anything from their iPhone to a PC much less ever uses their cable for data transfer.

I know more seniors that know their way around AirDrop (or things “magically” appearing on their desktop device via iCloud, unbeknownst to them) than people that even realize that the cable they use to charge their iPhone could also transfer data.

Next you’re gonna tell me that they don’t care about Cat5 because they’re brainwashed to think WiFi is necessary to get internet.

[brokenmachine]

And you're also brainwashed to think that the only way to get stuff from your phone to your PC wirelessly is via iCloud.

I use SyncThing and it works fantastically, with no fees and no spying.

[turquoisevar]

> And you're also brainwashed to think that the only way to get stuff from your phone to your PC wirelessly is via iCloud.

Keep your strawmen to yourself, I never stated iCloud is the only way to transfer data.

> I use SyncThing and it works fantastically, with no fees and no spying.

Good for you. I don’t recall asking.

Grow up and accept that other people have preferences that differ from yours and maybe in the process you’ll also learn that using FOSS doesn’t make you as edgy and cool as you think.

As an aside, I can only surmise you don’t even know what iCloud entails because not only does SyncThing not officially support iOS (you know, the topic at hand), but even using the only available *paid* option, Möbius, doesn’t even come close to the iCloud experience.

[brokenmachine]

>not only does SyncThing not officially support iOS (you know, the topic at hand), but even using the only available paid option, Möbius, doesn’t even come close to the iCloud experience.

You do realize that this comment only further shows how brainwashed Apple victims are, which was precisely what my initial comment was about?

That they have internalized and accept that their artificially crippled devices won't allow you to transfer data privately to your own PC without using their cloud, which comes with the associated costs and privacy implications? They are artificially crippling devices to monetize your data.

Apple is ruining computing, and Apple victims are too shortsighted to be concerned about it.

[FractalHQ]

I can’t walk up to a friend or family member and Airdrop them some photos with SyncThing. Also, I thought iCloud is encrypted, no?

[brokenmachine]

I was talking about getting data from your phone to your PC without sending it to Apple.

I don't understand why people accept that it's necessary to send that data to Apple and back in order to perform such a basic function.

It doesn't matter if it's encrypted or not, that's still an artificial limitation that Apple has put on the devices you supposedly "own", all so they can monetize your data.

But Apple will tell you these limitations are for your own good, or security or something.

And people seem to love the taste of that refreshing kool-aid.

[tialaramex]

> The cost comes from somewhere…

Who said anything about cost? The profit accrues to Apple.

[paulmd]

it's crazy to me just how much fanboy wars have fallen into "products that I don't want to buy should be outlawed". especially in this android-vs-iphone arena.