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Yes, they are CATL's LFP.

Now, I really wish that people would stop saying that LFP can be charge to 100% (without adversely affecting lifespan), or never catch fire. China's LFPs are cheap, inferior batteries. Period. Stop pretending that LFP would last forever or more moral and humane b/c there is no cobalt (China doesn't believe in human rights, either).

[dzhiurgis]

Do you have any data to prove otherwise? Anecdotal data from Tesla drivers is extremely good (1-5% degradation over 20k miles vs typical 10%)

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Tesla LFP Battery 10% RANGE LOSS PROBLEM? | Model 3 RWD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suw20wPrbL0

  The brand new LFP batteries will degrade substantially quicker.  There's not long-term retention data for LFP batteries on the market yet, but the trend tends to be substantially faster degradation.  Trends show them stabilizing around that 10% degradation mark in about half the time as non-LFP batteries - around 50,000 miles instead of 100,000 miles."

There is also a study by Recurrent, "battery life study" which seems to corroborate Tessie's finding.

I'm pretty sure that anecdotal data would almost always indicate virtually no range loss, but, once you take the red pill, the reality looks quite different.