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by kaba0 1009 days ago
> to reinvent the wheel

Libraries are a thing

> because the APIs are DE/Toolkit specific

That’s false in itself, what do you think Wayland protocols are? They might add some DE-specific protocol for themselves, but I don’t see why that would be a problem.

> standardization that X11 offered

What standardization? A single implementation that does its thing is not a standard, by definition.

> Also X11 was never "monolithic" but in reality completely modular

But let me guess, you think that systemd is a huge monolith, right? Also, a wm is very trivial compared to the rest, they can easily be a lua extension and that’s it.

X is monolithic, because they had to pry printing and shit out of it over years of hard work.
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yjftsjthsd-h 1009 days ago
> That’s false in itself, what do you think Wayland protocols are? They might add some DE-specific protocol for themselves, but I don’t see why that would be a problem.

It sure looks like it's true, or did GNOME/KDE/wlroots manage to agree on a single screenshot API?

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tadfisher 1009 days ago
Yeah, XDG portals. Not something that's essential to the display protocol.

The idea that we need to be shoving tray icons and screen recording and permissions APIs into the display protocol is an Xism that folks need to let go. The display protocol should only deal with displaying things, meaning it's a standard way to give memory buffers to clients for them to draw into, and all the other crap can and should be handled elsewhere.

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yjftsjthsd-h 1009 days ago
Yeah, I'm a fan of it being an optional standard that's separate from the core display protocol. The problem is that it needs to be a standard, not 3 different standards because it wasn't standardized so 3 different groups created their own things, and all of the standards needed to replace X11 as it was actually used should have had a 1.0 spec before the whole mess was shipped to end users, let alone before users were told that this was the future that they needed to get on already.
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sprash 1009 days ago
> They might add some DE-specific protocol for themselves, but I don’t see why that would be a problem.

What Wayland advocates don't see as a problem is the one of the main problems. I see a pattern here.

> years of hard work.

The only thing that takes "years of hard work" is writing a simple native Wayland client that takes screenshots.

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SpaceNugget 1009 days ago
https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/#gdbus-org.free...

Without knowing much about dbus, or freedesktop I was able to make it work on a lazy afternoon. And it worked for me in wlroots and on gnome, I am assuming kde also implements it. How were you trying to do it that it took so long?

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