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by 221qqwe 1019 days ago
It might be the answer on Reddit where any meaningful discussion is usually impossible and the most absurd sounding claims are upvoted.

Do we also have to do it here?

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It’s interesting when people over-intellectualize to the extent that they literally disbelieve that people believe their own proclaimed religion.

The Christian doomsday mythologies are extremely clear and extremely broadly believed among a core US right wing power center, the Evangelicals.

I suppose it’s up to you if you’d like to believe that 1) Evangelicals don’t believe what they claim to believe or 2) they do believe Israel is critical to their own rising to an infinite utopia but they choose not to make policy decisions based on that belief.

> that people believe their own proclaimed religion The comment above is talking about

> very popular in evangelical America that has to do with Israel being involved in the "end days" > strong Israeli state will hasten the rapture or some nonsense like that

That not a mainstream Christian view, in fact it's very fringe view and you don't have to 'over-intellectualize' (whatever that means) to realize that.

> I suppose it’s up to you if you’d like to believe that 1) Evangelicals don’t believe what they claim to believe

or option 3: don't believe what you claim they believe (the 'extremely broadly' bit anyway). There are plenty of more sensible religious, political and other reasons which explain widespread support for Israel.

~80% of US Christians believe Jesus has yet to return. (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v...)

US Congress is 90% Christian. (https://www.axios.com/2023/04/23/lawmakers-more-religious-ge...)

Mainstream Christian theology holds that Jesus's return is to engage in a holy war. (https://www.gotquestions.org/when-Jesus-returns.html).

Half of US evangelicals support Israel because it's critical to prophesy. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h...)

QED

> When Jesus returns, He will be ready for war (Revelation 19:11–16). The nations will be gathered to fight against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2) in what we call the battle of Armageddon. But that will be the day Jesus returns: “His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south” (verse 4). It will be a unique day in the history of the world: “On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness . . . a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light” (verses 6–7). God’s enemies will be defeated, and the Antichrist and the false prophet will be “thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Revelation 19:20). Jesus will set up His kingdom, and “The Lord will be king over the whole earth” (Zechariah 14:9).

> In establishing His kingdom on earth, Jesus will first set up a judgment for those who are still alive after the tribulation and who are on the earth at the time of the second coming. This is referred to as the “judgment of the sheep and the goats” or “judgment of the nations” (Matthew 25:31–46). Those who survive this judgment will remain on earth and enjoy a time of peace and prosperity with Christ for 1,000 years (referred to as the millennium; see Revelation 20:4–6). Those who are found guilty in this judgment are cursed and consigned to “the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). Satan is bound and forbidden to act during the millennium (Revelation 20:1–3).