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by morby 1007 days ago
It’s an amazing bit of history. Leaders of major powers have regularly been assassinated in history. Here the leader of a globally hegemonic nation was assassinated on camera.
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Google tells me the number of leaders/former leaders assassinations in recent history that have been caught on camera is indeed very low.

Kennedy, Gaddafi, Shinzo Abe, Benazir Bhutto, Yitzhak Rabin, Rajiv Gandhi, Anwar Sadat.

So Kennedy was the first one even
No, there were a few (iirc 2) prior but I started at Kennedy because the thread is about him, hence recent history.
There are more, if you include the failed assassinations. Reagan, Pope JPII...
Rabin assassination has a pretty weird conspiracy theory though
These ones?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin_assassination_co...

The bullet points seem to be mostly confusion at the scene and shitty police work afterwards.

What is the conspiracy. That he was not killed at that spot, but later by the secret service? Like "that guy fired blanks at him, lets kill the PM and frame him"?

I never really understood the logic because it is deeply oxymoronic. People that generally wanted him dead (ultra right) think that he was killed by the secret service (presumably left) and Yigal Amir (ultra right) was framed.

But it is something about putting blank bullets in order to gather support with a fake assassination and then he was really killed by the Shabak on order of Shimon Peres (but can’t say that’s verbatim)

It always seemed even less internally consistent than most JFK theories

I mean, that would be like a secret service sniper shooting JFK when Oswald missed, or something. Surely is is reasonable to believe that the risk of a secrete service assassination increases during a assassination attempt. But, there is not really anything that would indicate that.

During the 1WW the death rate of officers was about twice that of privates for a sample.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X2...

I believe that there is a risk of opportunity murder when bullets are flying. Using the confusion as cover. But, as I said, only speculative.

It’s similar to holocaust denial, it doesn’t make sense and the people who support the assassination also support the conspiracy
> It’s an amazing bit of history.

Sure, it's the obsessing over conspiracy theories that I don't get. There's no way to verify the various speculations, so what's the point?

There's no way (for most of us with finite resources) to verify the vast majority of history, even recent history, even history that happened today. To me this is like saying "who cares what may or may not have happened in the past".

This particular conspiracy theory is interesting because the assumed enemy here—the Soviet Union—was ostensibly (and seeming authentically) unhappy to see this happen. So who wanted JFK dead and why?

> There's no way (for most of us with finite resources) to verify the vast majority of history, even recent history, even history that happened today.

That's an entirely different issue.

> So who wanted JFK dead and why?

Again, Occam says Oswald.

Fair enough, as long as you leave the thinking and decision-making to people who have even a modicum of historical curiosity.