[staunton]

The problem is that it will be a lot harder to grow food after 3°C of warming and also to get people drinking water. At some point your "deepening relationship" has to feed billions of people. That's assuming the heating is stopped at that point. Otherwise it gets worse until people are starving, which might eventually reduce CO2 emissions.

[hosh]

Atmospheric temperature is one thing. A focus on that leaves blindspots to things like land temperatures.

Soil is alive, dirt is dead. Healthy soils helps with water retention, and changes the local microclimates. So does designing canopy layers — agroforestry and perennial food forests.

Industrial scale monocropping is not adaptive, and kills off soil. It is fragile, and contributes little to regulating temperatures in the local microclimates.

There are solutions beyond simply looking at carbon emissions or industrial scale carbon sequestering.

[staunton]

Soil damage only happens where it happens while warming can significantly reduce arable land on the planet. This matters a lot for feeding people.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't care about maintaining soil qualiy but your comment "heating irrelevant, just deepen your relationship with the environment" is vague and people basically hear "do nothing about the CO2/warming because it's fine, we just need more hippies loving the soil". That's probably not what you meant but it's how it sounds.

[hosh]

There was a time I used to think I was doing my part by recycling. I did not know then, this stuff gets ship overseas to be dumped, or that it often gets burned. Or that the ethics of recycling was a result of clever marketing by the corps involved to shift this burden onto individuals. I grew up with it and recycling made be feel as if I was doing my part to help save the planet without really ever considering a change in the way of life.

This is exactly what I am seeing with the messaging around “climate change” and “carbon emissions” and “carbon credits”. It allows people to continue with the way of life they are used to and feel good about doing their part.

When I say “get connected with the local ecosystem”, I am not espousing a hippie view.

Part of our modern way of life insulates us from really understanding at an instinctual and bodily level, what it means to be a part of an ecosystem or a community. I mean it literally: many people do not actually know what it is like to eat an apple off a tree, let alone a relationship with that particular tree, and all the birds, bees, worms, fungi, and microbes involved with that apple.

I don’t know how to say this any more literally and directly. Advocating for “doing something about CO2/warming” is so far away from getting your hands dirty, and knowing at a deep level, that this is our home, and we’re not the only ones living here, and that the land can very well provide healthy food, and our actions directly impacts the land around us.

Oh and as for warming — the Soviets were able to adapt warm-weather fruit bearing trees, and we can do the same. There are plenty of heat-hardy edible plants, if we are willing to go beyond the small handful of monocropped “food” we have standardized on. We can try using industrial scale solutions, but we are just kicking the can down the road. It is our way of seeing the world around us that lead us here.