[tomger]

I’m privacy conscious, and on the side of Mozilla here. But I wish the article showed examples of how the data is actually being shared rather than an analysis of the terms. What’s an example of my health data being used somewhere else. I know it’s hard to get proof of this but that is what would make the public more aware.

[bondarchuk]

When it's in the privacy policy: "don't care, they're not actually doing it"

When they're actually doing it: "don't care, it was in the privacy policy, of course they do it"

I think it's good to resist at every step.

[philistine]

Mozilla clearly has not looked at how data is collected at all. They're at step 1 of the privacy invasion story: let's shame the lawyers for all the unenforceable crap they wrote in the terms of service.

[fredoliveira]

> They're at step 1 of the privacy invasion story: let's shame the lawyers

I would argue that they're at step 1, yes, but that step 1 is telling you these manufacturers have no respect for your privacy, period.

[haswell]

Which appears to be true. If these companies respected the privacy of their users, their privacy policies would not contain what they do.

Regardless of current active data collection, I think it’s wise to read these policies as a declaration of intent.

[TedDoesntTalk]

"So, what's the worst that could happen with your happy little Subaru Outback? Well, it would really stink to go visit your Mom, go for a ride in her new Subaru with all it's fancy, connected features, have a private conversation with Mom about how you helped your friend drive from state that outlawed abortion to one that does, and then end up have that audio recorded, then shared with law enforcement because Subaru says in their privacy policy they can share or sell that personal information, including to "detect and prevent criminal activity." That is perhaps a far fetched scenario and we really hope Subaru would never do that...but still, it seems like it is something that could happen, based on their privacy policy."

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/subaru/