[Nextgrid]

> he desired one where you're not allowed to use the Internet unless you're using a big three approved device that can attest you're not using an ad blocker isn't so much.

There's no reason to believe this will require a TPM or depend on the presence of one. As far as I know, Widewine and similar DRM schemes successfully achieved this without any hardware assistance. Yes, bypasses exist and all the major piracy groups have them, but the objective of preventing the masses from having access to a working bypass is clearly achieved and doesn't require hardware.

[vetinari]

Widewine and similar DRM schemes pretty much require hardware assistance; the lower levels that do not will provide you with 720p, which is exactly what you are getting in Linux. For 4k, it requires tee application, or similar mechanism that's not in the reach of mere mortals.

The early bypass of widewine meant burning an nvidia shield (invalidating its keys) for each and every single rip.

[Nextgrid]

Do the DRM schemes interact with HDCP at the hardware level? I know HDCP is necessary, but my understanding has always been that the decrypted video data is always available to the OS (at the kernel level) and the "requirement" of it being outputted only to an HDCP-enabled sink was purely done in software through layers of obfuscation?

[lxgr]

Higher-resolution ones definitely do. That's why you only get Widevine L3 on PCs and Macs, which most content providers limit to 720p or below.

You need something else (like Apple's FairPlay or Microsoft PlayReady) beyond that, and these definitely check your HDCP version. I believe 4k output commonly requires HDCP 2.2.

FairPlay on macOS might be based on obfuscation still (there was an interesting article on that here some days ago), but high-resolution playback on Windows definitely does involve the GPU driver somehow.

[lxgr]

> Widewine and similar DRM schemes successfully achieved this

Do you have any references to back that statement up? Software-only DRMs are ultimately always either plain obfuscation or some variant of white-box cryptography, which is also anything but proven to actually work.

[sudosysgen]

Widevine and other schemes are trivially defeated as far as manipulating the results of what you see on the screen. The best they've been able to do is sometimes protect the compressed original stream, but they also routinely fail at that, and that's not the kind of security that can defeat an adblocker. The kind of security you're talking about would require some kind of TPM-like solution to attest you're running approved software and don't have root.

[hooverd]

Touche, not a TPM, those are usually separate hardware whereas TEEs are integrated.