[abletonlive]

You haven't been around enough people doing psychedelics then. Psychotic breaks are not uncommon. Once you're at a music festival where n=thousands you realize this. Flying and drowning in lakes is not unheard of.

Everybody thinks they are immune to psychotic breaks until they do enough psychedelics and have one. This could be you some day.

[saberience]

You haven't been around enough people drinking booze then. Psychotic breaks are not uncommon. Once you're basically anwywhere with people drinking you realize this. Flying and drowning in lakes, murdering your wife, or dying in a fiery crash on the freeway are not unheard of.

Everybody thinks they are immune to psychotic breaks until they do enough booze and have one. This could be you some day.

[abletonlive]

I'm not sure why you're responding in this manner. I never said alcohol was any better. I was addressing a comment that they were surprised psychotic breaks and deaths happen on psychedelics. This has nothing to do with alcohol.

Seems quite petty of a response.

[krisoft]

> I was addressing a comment that they were surprised psychotic breaks and deaths happen on psychedelics.

They were specificaly asking about people wanting to fly.

“And I have never, ever seen anybody try to fly.” was the direct quote. Doesn’t say anything about psychotic breaks or deaths.

[AllegedAlec]

\>thing A is bad, but so is thing B, so we can't criminalize thing A

Better decriminalize murder in that case.

[saberience]

Honest question: How many people do you think avoid murdering others because there is a law against it? Or another way of putting it, do you think that the reason more people don't go around murdering others is because the government wrote down somewhere "this is illegal"?

[fsckboy]

> How many people do you think avoid murdering others because there is a law against it?

if murder were legalized, the murder rate would jump, a lot.

[AllegedAlec]

No clue, but I also don't see how it's relevant to my tongue in cheek dismissive answer to OP

[Fezzik]

Oh, I’m aware it can happen. I’ve been around people who OD or go super deep in K Holes, and been to more than enough festivals for one lifetime, but those extreme side effects don’t seem to be all that common with mushrooms. I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone that has had a psychotic break tripping. The dearth of information online leads me to believe it really is extremely uncommon.

[abletonlive]

> I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone that has had a psychotic break tripping.

It's not that uncommon. If you don't believe me, volunteer for a medical tent for any music festival where psychedelic use is rampant. You'll get psychotic breaks all night.

[RoyalHenOil]

I feel like you two are talking past one another.

One of you is saying "mushrooms" and the other is saying "psychedelics".

[abletonlive]

I'm saying all psychedelics commonly cause psychotic breaks. I've had to assist people on mushroom induced psychotic breaks before. I love mushrooms as much as any other hippie and think they should be legalized but don't agree with the whitewashing that is happening in the psychedelic activist circles. Let's not swing the pendulum too far in the other direction - they should be taken seriously just like any other mind altering drug.

[pmoriarty]

What do you mean by "psychotic break" exactly?

[abletonlive]

It means psychosis. I'm confused about what you do not understand about this. It's losing touch with reality, knowing that you're in a situation or place which you are not - losing the ability to determine what is real or what is not real. Once you are out of this state you realize that you could not have been trusted to make any decisions about reality (whether you were where you thought you were, whether what you were doing was safe, whether what you believe was true). It's basically sleepwalking while on psychedelics. Once you're done with the psychosis you might not remember most of it.

If you get caught in this state at a music festival and restrained (sometimes restrained to a gurney if you are caught in a camping festival like Electric Forest and they determine an ambulance is not necessary) you get sent off via an ambulance where they will feed you benzodiazepines/antipsychotics and hold you at a hospital until you are back to reality, incurring a pretty hefty ER bill. This is not just a bad trip that someone can talk you down from. This is literally losing control of your entire being. It's like having someone else at the wheels. Short term psychosis.

That's how ALL big music festivals in the US handle psychotic breaks. They won't let you just go around the festival endangering yourself and being a menace to the rest of the patrons.

Not a great place to be in, but I've seen it enough times to know it's not uncommon.

[danielbln]

I'm also curious if OP talks about actual medical psychotic breaks or "bad trips", which may overlap but don't have to.

[abletonlive]

I'm talking about medical psychotic breaks.

[pmoriarty]

Please define that.

[plugin-baby]

> I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone that has had a psychotic break tripping.

I’ve witnessed it. There might have been weed and/or alcohol involved as well.

[amanaplanacanal]

In my experience weed with psychedelics is a horrible combination. I know a lot of people do it, but yuck.

[mschuster91]

The worst compounding factor is that many people do not have "trip sitters": sober people that take care no one gets up to too dumb shit, get injured, or that rude external people don't barge in and ruin the vibe.

[fullspectrumdev]

Most of the times I’ve seen someone have a mental health episode while on drugs, it’s been caused by either overdose, poly drug consumption (taking a bunch of shit), or the drug they took not being the drug they thought they were taking.

Or massive sleep deprivation powered by stimulant abuse over a protracted period of time.