[matheusmoreira]

> A core of Democracy is indeed preventing ballot stuffing when people go to upload the vote results they see

> You say "me", why is your script different from a Russian-style nation state trying to put weight on the scales?

Don't accept votes from unknown, untrusted randoms. Even in my country where the election is fully digital, they check my ID before letting me vote. There are ways it could go wrong but that isn't one of them.

> Or trying to DDOS the site?

They can't DDoS you if you have them pay for the resources required to serve them.

> The cost is the loss of ease of use and access

That's fine.

[Fordec]

> Don't accept votes from unknown, untrusted randoms.

Trust can be built from metadata. You stop it from being unknown, by shock, building up knowledge through recording it.

> They can't DDoS you if you have them pay for the resources required to serve them.

Not a payment processor. Not a business. Nobody is going to pay for membership. This is not on the table.

> That's fine.

I deeply disagree and you're not changing my position on that nor am I likely to change yours. But I'm the implementer, so guess which way it's going. See: Not accepting your money.

What I have though gotten out of this conversation is that I'm now aware of how much more complex feature set I need to put into the first party tracking to get it right in a shifting tech environment. So food for thought.

[matheusmoreira]

> But I'm the implementer, so guess which way it's going.

You're an implementer operating in a deeply adversarial environment where everyone is your enemy. Everything you do can and will be circumvented, especially by the Russia-style attackers you mentioned. See the copyright industry's fruitless attempts to curb copyright infringement. If it actually looks like you succeeded, it's only because people didn't care enough.

Unless the free computing we enjoy today is completely destroyed to the point we can only run government signed software, there's little you can do to defend against these things. To stop this, you will need tyranny the likes of which will destroy everything the word "hacker" stands for. I presumed you cared at least a little about that since you're posting on Hacker News.

[Fordec]

Everything can be circumvented. I but this isn't some SaaS service, I don't need to survive forever, just about twelve hours. I can achieve that.

Yeah, I grew up and realized that there's more to the world than mere developer convenience above all else. If Hacking means siding with the developer over everyone else in humanity and societal benefit, let it burn. Luckily, that's not my definition.

[matheusmoreira]

You're gonna insult me now? I'm a kid in fantasy land and you're the grown up dealing with the harsh world? Lol. You just admitted that irrelevance is your only leverage.

[Fordec]

I'm talking about me. I changed, I matured and took on wider problems. If you read my self improvement as an direcy insult or anything about you, that speaks more about your mindset than anything. And if thats the case I now see why you care so much about your scripts, if you don't have other audiences in mind it has to be the only scope you have to care for.

I'm fine with what my side project is and it's scope. It's secondarily a tech demonstration for the bigger thing that comes later. If that means the early stage is only viewed by 2000 people and improved the lives of some election nerds for no monetary gain plus a news article after submissions close, good, the plan is on track. I'm not trying to be big in this project.