[catlover76]

I think this comment exemplifies the attitude that leads Linux to be this mostly niche thing that even most devs don't want to deal with.

> Your discord problems are almost certainly caused by you doing it wrong. Linux is not a magic solver of problems, you know your way around windows, but if you invested same time into learning linux as you did windows, you'd know how to do things there aswell.

No bro, it requires zero investment of time to "know your way around windows" for basic stuff like installing consumer programs--that's the thing. Not sure how you're missing that. I don't think I've ever installed anything incorrectly on Windows. I'm not sure that's even possible.

The issue is not that I expect Linux to be a "magic solver of problems"--it's that there are a lot of problems it has which are ridiculous in the first place and don't exist on other operating systems.

[redeeman]

> No bro, it requires zero investment of time to "know your way around windows" for basic stuff like installing consumer programs--that's the thing. Not sure how you're missing that. I don't think I've ever installed anything incorrectly on Windows. I'm not sure that's even possible.

hmm, is that why theres SOOOO much stuff around "customer support"?

its funny how the "issues" affecting linux (mostly that it isnt EXACTLY like what they're used to, windows) is a huge blocker issue, but windows gets a free pass for everything.

Linux isnt ready for the desktop because of tiny things, but windows is, despite issues unimaginably bigger.

hell, when people mostly said "linux isnt ready for the desktop" in the early 2000s, windows was unable to be installed on modern computers without custom creating a floppy disk with drivers for your sata drive. Yet somehow it was ready for the desktop.

[testrun]

Cannot agree more. Using linux since Slackware in the '90s but still now and again Linux for everyday use can be so frustrating. Currently using Ubuntu 22.10, because 23.04 has a problem with multiple window management. But 22.10 on my PC have mono sound, but it is stereo on 23.04. Stream works fantastic on 23.04, but I have problems login in to some games on 22.10. Having problems using Cuda on 23.04 but it works 100% on 22.10, and on and on it goes. Did go back to 22.04, but there were other problems then, so decided 22.10 will be it for now. As so many people said before, Linux is 95% there, it is just the last 5% that is so frustrating.

[catlover76]

Yeah

How is gaming on Linux? What do you play?

[Raineer]

I was commenting on this just last week. Gaming on Linux has exploded since the Steam Deck was released (just as all Linux users were hoping it would).

All the effort which went into Proton to get games working on Steam Deck has done wonders for the desktop.

It used to be that you could play AAA games up to about 2 years prior (same story like macOS today), but now you can play almost anything on desktop Linux. I even run HiDPI / 5K monitor and it all works now, at least on Arch.

The only notable exception (truly, a surprise), at the moment, is Starfield not working on day 1. This was surprising, but the reasons net down to GPU drivers - and progress is already being made.

[catlover76]

Nice!

Yeah I downloaded Steam on here to try it, but my hardware isn't up to the task. Seems like it worked well from a software perspective though!

[happymellon]

I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn right now.

Works great on Linux, as do the hundreds of other games I've played.

[catlover76]

Great to hear!

[testrun]

World of Warships mostly, War Thunder and Company of Heroes 3