[michaelt]

A lot of B2C VPNs position themselves as kinda sketchy and anti-corporate.

If the cops or the MPAA come calling, we'll tell them to go to hell. Netflix blocks our servers? We'll set up new ones. Accused of torrenting? We didn't see anything, and we don't know who you are either. We're incorporated in a jurisdiction that makes us almost impossible to sue. We've got 4 employees, and not a single clothes iron between us.

B2B VPN products often have the opposite market positioning - straight-laced, trustworthy stuff. Absolutely not claiming to be difficult to sue. We've got 50+ employees, all of them wear shirts and some even wear ties. And suppliers like cloudflare are more than happy to help you MITM all your employees' https traffic, in the name of "security".

These just seem like positions in the market that are very hard to reconcile.

[fomine3]

Cloudflare is on a somewhat interesting position. They are known for negative about banning copyright violation or controversial contents (than competitors), but also provides enterprise solutions.

[mschuster91]

> They are known for negative about banning copyright violation or controversial contents (than competitors)

They're required to do the former (and Switter) by American laws, and for the latter: they banned the Daily Stormer, 8chan after a terrorist incident, and Kiwi Farms after their members called for open violence. It's not hard to see why these three got banned, inciting violence is not covered by "free speech".

[drsnow]

This is simply a false dichotomy and that you don't realize such is damning