[tomschlick]

> Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor.

I don't see anyone arguing against immigration here. We are arguing against illegal immigration / obvious abuse of the asylum system.

If we can close the obvious holes in our border that are letting 200k people through a month, I'm very much in favor of granting more work visas to immigrants and starting the naturalization process.

[sottol]

My point is that many households have adapted to the cheap labor - larger houses, larger gardens and so on based, larger than the owner can self-suppprt, based on the cost of labor.

Owners would have to do more themselves (thus spend time) or more money (that they can't spend consuming other things) if labor costs increased.

I'm also not arguing for limitless immigration. What I'm trying to say is that there will probably not be zero illegal immigration despite what politicians promise, at this point it's baked into the (cost-)structure of society I suppose and not painlessly undone.