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by miohtama 1021 days ago
Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western).

However in some countries your phone must have mandatory government spyware on your mobile phone and PC:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort

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> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western).

depends on "casual" and "new" I guess? Echelon is a dragnet from the 70s, and at least the US, UK and Australian governments spied lots on anti-war protestors and environmentalists and civil rights campaigners and trade unionists. Some Australians wrote a book called "Our ASIO Files" (ASIO is the Australian internal spy/security agency) based on being surveilled during the 80s.

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort

did you not read the article you've linked? this was never deplpoyed.

> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments

Five Eyes are old hands at spying on their citizens. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

"New" is very relative. GSM phone communication protocol from late 80s was intentionally sabotaged to have 54-bit crypto keys so it could be easily attacked.

(And it was only used over radio so base station traffic could be wiretapped even more easily.)

HMRC can do the most unrestricted spy on the British population, and there is a lot of data sharing between all the different parts of the state, ie HMRC, Police, NHS etc etc.

Any employee of the state can spy on you and the press also do a fair bit of spying on the population.

Its a national past time when thinking of curtain twitchers and neighbourhood watch schemes.

> Any employee of the state can spy on you

come on mate, get your head straight.

You really dont have a clue do you! Every part of the state you interact with takes notes, and the security services have access to it when they want it, bent judges do exist you know, and then they via Special Branch direct the Police.

When is an anonymous tip off by the public, just a cover for the state. They cant do it to everyone as the game would be up, but there is much more surveillance than you realise.

Alot of my relatives worked for the state, and as a kid I over heard alot!