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by mfDjB 1020 days ago
I wonder where does this end? I do feel like nearly once a year some country in western world tries to ban encryption. Can we just make it a right to encrypt communications and be done with this endless debate?
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It should be a fundamental human right to have and communicate secrets. That's the end of the story for me.

There should be things the state simply cannot touch not just things which it should not touch.

Take a step back from communicating secrets. It should be a fundamental human right to perform math. That's what they're trying to ban. Some equations are apparently too powerful to be performed by lowly humans.
Math isn’t the same as what you do with Math though. Math is the science of patterns. As such following your reason you could apply the same to anything that is a crime today and say it’s your way to express your relationship with Math.

Just to be clear I’m all for encryption and our right to do so, but I feel that equating this to our defence for math is a couple bridges too far?

>It should be a fundamental human right to perform math.

Why?

What if society could be destroyed by performing math? Should it still be a fundamental right? What if the entire universe could be destroyed by doing math?

This reminds me of a couple episodes of The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits. In one ("Need to Know"), there's some secret; when person A tells person B the secret, person B goes insane (and then tries to tell others the secret). Should a verbally-communicated secret be illegal? In the other, a disgruntled college student figures out how to build a small fusion bomb, and uses it for terrorism and threatens to detonate much larger versions of the bomb. At the end, he's killed and takes his secret with him, but the implication is that the principles aren't really that difficult, and sooner or later some other angry person will figure out how to make such bombs and humanity will be doomed.

You are interpreting reality through a television show...
You haven't answered the question about why you think doing math should be a fundamental right.
Playing devil’s advocate, under this legislation, you can have secrets and you can communicate them secretly - just not via some channels.
Yup, see you guys in the thread next year.
let's let the UK do it

they've become the biggest laughing stock in multiple other avenues anyways, you need an example for people to learn from

one look at san fransisco and people start funding their police departments again

Did anyone ever actually cut their police budget? I was under the impression that the problems in SF were a combination of the police having their feelings hurt (and therefore refusing to do their jobs), and prosecutors refusing to actually prosecute anyone.
No one relevant wants to leave EU anymore either.
legislate all you want but enshrining it as a right won’t magically fix that your government is antagonistic to your privacy. the US has its fourth amendment for 200+ years but that’s never stopped it from wiretapping its own citizens despite that being a pretty unambiguous violation of the text.

if you want to “be done with the endless debate” then perhaps use (and contribute to) protocols/infrastructure which aren’t so easily governed.