[whatsup7123]

Doesn't this mean that everyone who owns a gas car right now needs to by an EV by 2035? Not everyone can afford EVs - so how would this work? Also, EV charging infrastructure is way behind gas. I can fill up gasoline anywhere but there are far fewer EV stations. I applaud our switch to clean energy but this proposed law seems very aggressive.

[wkat4242]

No. It doesn't mean that, it means that they can't be sold new anymore from 2035 onwards. So someone wanting to stay on gas can still buy a brand new 2034 one and drive it for decades. Though I expect they will be eschewed from city centers like older diesels are already.

Gas cars will still be around long after 2035 this is why this is not actually very ambitious in terms of climate mitigation. And now BMW wants to weaken it further.

[FirmwareBurner]

>So someone wanting to stay on gas can still buy a brand new 2034 one and drive it for decades.

Have you seen how difficult it still is to buy some new cars, as in the waiting times? If you wait for 2034 to buy a new car, you'll never get it. I expect that by 2030, the backlog of orders will e full already till the end of production in 2035.

[wkat4242]

No I haven't owned a car for years. But I think the demand will drop anyway.

Especially here in Europe we're not so invested in gas guzzlers (and cars in general really depending on the country). Cars tend to be very compact, so much that American movies often make fun of them.

[FirmwareBurner]

>But I think the demand will drop anyway.

That's your bubble talking, the reality goes in the other direction.

[wkat4242]

Not really, electric cars and hybrid are really taking off here.

Especially because more and more people have installed solar panels since the Ukraine war increased energy prices a lot. With that they can charge their cars for free.

In the Netherlands delivered electricity can right now be taken off the bill per kWh but in the future this will change, and during sun hours the delivered kWh won't be worth a lot. But using it for charging a car will still mean free fuel.

[Shaanie]

Did you read the article? It's specifically new gas cars, so no, everyone doesn't have to buy an EV by 2035.

Yes, EV charging networks are far fewer. Today, in 2023. In 2035 the availability is going to be way better, and by 2040 (when "everyone" has an EV) it's going to be just as easy as gas. Because if it isn't, they'll have to slow things down or risk public outrage.

[whatsup7123]

My mistake - yes this makes sense. If they install an EV charger at every single gas station that would be fantastic.

[JumpCrisscross]

> EV charging infrastructure is way behind gas

This will almost certainly flip by 2035. What will eventually phase out existing gas cars will be the gasoline-distribution infrastructure’s phase out. (We are already seeing this in Norway [1], where three quarters of gas stations have closed despite only ~15% EV fleet penetration.)

[1] http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/i-fokus/in-focus-2021/the....

[FirmwareBurner]

Norway is a very wealthy country. Most of the EU don't have Norwegian money to buy Teslas instead of Skodas.

[badpun]

No, it just means that, by 2035, you will no longer be able to buy a new ICE car. Existing ICE cars will still be allowed on roads.

[mint2]

No it does not mean current gas cars have to be traded in for EVs.

If something seems crazy or impossible, double check the facts.