[BearhatBeer]

I've noticed that Wayland advocacy (read: bot spam) has dropped off by quite a bit. Used to be you mention X.org or X11 and the bots would pour out of the woodwork to remind you it's "deprecated" or whatever - it's not - but I think the bot herders finally realized they were doing more harm than good. That bot spam left a bad taste in my mouth and I simply will never ever use Wayland because of it. I have no proof but it all seemed to be the same kind of spam that you'd encounter when discussing System D or pulse, so I suspect it was being organized from Red Hat itself. Evil company, that.

[creatonez]

This is a wild conspiracy theory with no actual basis. No one is organizing people's opinions on random mostly-irrelevant pieces of tech by "herding bots". And no, Wayland is not closely tied to Red Hat.

[phendrenad2]

To play devil's advocate, it's possible that Red Hat wasn't actively evil, but they just believed in throwing cash at open-source projects, which enabled a lot of jerks within the community.

[bravetraveler]

I think there's a bit of selection bias - people interested in esoteric choices like your display manager will be prone to fairly strong opinions.

Personally, I'm a fan of Wayland - but I'm not deluded either. Sway offers one of the better experiences, but you have to craft an awful lot of it.

I'm also fortunate that everything I need/use either supports Wayland or is a game that benefits from gamescope. Some requires more tweaking/encouragement than others.

Mixed environments are awful - ie: copying/pasting between Wayland/XWayland tends to freeze/hang in a specific direction. Making xlsclients return nothing should be the goal before getting too frustrated.

Screen sharing is fine thanks to Pipewire... and screenshots with grim/slurp - but again, some curating was involved and limitations apply (ie: no sharing 10-bit color displays)