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by scarface_74 1020 days ago
What type of “troll bridge” does Apple impose on installing software on a Mac?
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The desire is to be able to freely install apps on device with an Apple CPU that fits in your pocket. You can't build your own phone with one, because they won't sell you the CPU by itself. You can't use the CPU in a Mac for that, because it's soldered to something that won't fit in your pocket. So you're left with an iPhone, with a troll bridge between the user and the app developer.
Or you can do like 80% of the rest of the world does and buy an Android phone and you can have all of the “freedom” that you want.
Google is barely any better, using different methods to maintain Google Play at more than 95% market share for Android apps.

But how does an Android phone get you an Apple CPU? Or to put it another way, if your app customers want the Apple CPU, and they want your app, how do they get them both together without the troll bridge between you?

An Apple CPU is another version of the ARM chip. How do I buy a Whopper at McDonalds?

Pepsi chooses to not serve customers who go to McDonald’s and Costco chooses not to serve Amex customers.

You either choose to work with customers where they are or you don’t. Just like video game makers

> An Apple CPU is another version of the ARM chip. How do I buy a Whopper at McDonalds?

It's not that you want to buy a Whopper at McDonalds. It's that you have a Ford and if you try to drive it to Burger King to buy a Whopper they disable your car because Ford owns McDonalds and Chevy owns Burger King.

Which in turn keeps anyone from producing a new make of car or a new brand of food, because no existing source of food will serve you if you're not in the parent company's vehicle and no one can scale a new restaurant or grocery chain enough to make some other brand of vehicles viable when people in existing vehicles can't patronize it.

This kind of tying is meant to be prohibited.

> Pepsi chooses to not serve customers who go to McDonald’s and Costco chooses not to serve Amex customers.

People who want Pepsi can go into McDonalds, come out with a Big Mac, pick up a Pepsi at any vending machine or convenience store and go sit down and have them together. People who buy a washing machine at CostCo on their Visa can go buy detergent for it from Walmart with their Amex.

> You either choose to work with customers where they are or you don’t. Just like video game makers

The same antitrust action should be applied to video game consoles.

> It's not that you want to buy a Whopper at McDonalds. It's that you have a Ford and if you try to drive it to Burger King to buy a Whopper they disable your car because Ford owns McDonalds and Chevy owns Burger King.

We are talking about ARM chips, anyone with the money can design their own ARM chips and contract TSMC to manufacturer them. There are at least a dozen companies that do so. No one forces you to buy phones made by Apple just like no one forces you to buy burgers from McDonalds.

If people are willing gk pay more for a gourmet burger at an upscale restaurant (Apple) than McDonalds (Android$ because they feel like the burgers are better, that’s people making an informed choice.

> The same antitrust action should be applied to video game consoles.

Are you saying that video game makers should also be forced to license their IP so other manufacturers can clone their consoles?

You can't service those customers. Just as the Chelsea Truck Company can't sell its customers modified Land Rovers without buying a Land Rover first.
A company who wants to make entirely their own car can do so and its customers can still drive it on the same roads and buy fuel from the same gas stations.

A company who wants to make mostly their own car and use some parts from another manufacturer can do that too:

https://www.hotcars.com/awesome-cars-powered-by-other-manufa...

This is the normal operation of a competitive market. Chelsea Truck Company wants their vehicles to be mostly Land Rover so they start with a Land Rover.

But Apple interferes with even that. If you wanted to buy iPhones to mod and resell, they stop you from putting your own operating system on it, and their operating system doesn't have drivers for your custom components.

> A company who wants to make entirely their own car can do so and its customers can still drive it on the same roads and buy fuel from the same gas stations.

A company that wants to make their own phone can do that and still use the same wireless providers.

> A company who wants to make mostly their own car and use some parts from another manufacturer can do that too:

A company that wants to make mostly their own phone can get ARM chips and cellular chips and all of the parts from plenty of places all the way up to getting contract manufacturers

> This is the normal operation of a competitive market. Chelsea Truck Company wants their vehicles to be mostly Land Rover so they start with a Land Rover.

So are you saying there is no competition in the phone market and people must buy iPhones even though 80% of the world buy Android phones?

> But Apple interferes with even that. If you wanted to buy iPhones to mod and resell, they stop you from putting your own operating system on it, and their operating system doesn't have drivers for your custom components.

Then fork your own version of AOSP and work with a contract phone manufacturer and sell your own product. Just like 100s of Android resellers do

> and its customers can still drive it on the same roads and buy fuel from the same gas stations

Of course. And anyone can build a phone that is charged from a wall socket and communicates using standard mobile protocols.

> If you wanted to buy iPhones to mod and resell, they stop you from putting your own operating system on it, and their operating system doesn't have drivers for your custom components.

This industry is much younger. I wouldn't guarantee that Land Rover lets you even today mod its software system, but possibly it does, but then again, it also is in an industry that's been around 100+ years.