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by dalyons 1019 days ago
Also the vast array of managed services. Managed databases, message queues, infinite storage, data warehouses, caches , etc etc. Many of which are very complicated to host well yourself and operationize (failovers, monitoring , backups etc)

This idea that you can build a DC that competes on cost for rented cloud compute - it might be technically true but it’s mostly missing the point of why modern shops prefer the cloud.
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traceroute66 1019 days ago
> Many of which are very complicated to host well yourself and operationize (failovers, monitoring , backups etc)

Oh you are hilarious.

Time for your daily reminder that failovers, monitoring and backups DO NOT EXIST in the cloud UNLESS (a) you configure and manage them (b) deploy your services in multiple zones (and spend $$$$$ along the way).

Lots of people cannot do (a) properly and it is regularly demonstrated by AWS US-East-1 and others that not many people do (b) fully, or in many cases, don't do it at all.

So yeah, the cloud is still "complicated", it's just a different sort of complicated. And if you do failovers, monitoring and backups properly, the cloud is still "expensive", its just a different sort of expensive.

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dalyons 1018 days ago
hey maybe avoid the patronizing crap? I've been involved in running at-scale properties in the cloud and not for 20 years or so now so, whilst i dont know everything i do somewhat know what im talking about.

Making an RDS postgres instance multi-az with automatic failover, and bulletproof backups to s3 is ticking a couple of boxes. Compared to building all of that yourself at the same level of uptime - its not complexity of the same magnitude at all. And sure it will cost you more for the instances for redundancy, but its pretty easily worth it - i dont have to pay an ops team to babysit my databases. Thats just postgres - not even getting into things like aurora, dynamo, kinesis, sqs, lambda - things that either dont have a self-hosted equivalent at all, or if they do are way more complicated to run at scale than PG.

In some cases its trading cloud costs for personnel costs. Both opex. But in many others its having access to services, datastores etc that i couldnt otherwise have as a dev.

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