[sebzim4500]

It's already on the road driving millions of miles. Someone should just count how many accidents it has had, and compare to how many are expected given the number of miles driven under each driving condition.

If FSD has more accidents then ban it.

[Waterluvian]

I love this “logic.”

You can do something wrong but if it works out, hey, it’s fine right?

This also creates a wonderfully sloppy veil. Hey it’s proven safe. So we’re going to go ahead and fuck with the settings more.”

[sebzim4500]

If it improves safety then it isn't wrong

[Tempest1981]

I think the point is that if it's "proven" safer today, the manufacturer can then make changes and test publicly, and be absolved of responsibility if there are regressions.

[TheCleric]

Sure this will go fine since it's not like we have a track record of people dying in Teslas, with Tesla taking zero accountability, and withholding the crash data from open scrutiny.

This experiment is sure to be unbiased.

[sebzim4500]

That's why the data should be collected by a government department rather than Tesla

[Tempest1981]

How quickly can the governments detect a regression? Weeks or months later?

The claim here is that an overnight minor update from v11.4.4 to v11.4.7 caused a significant regression.

[jacquesm]

That doesn't matter. What matters is that Tesla doesn't get to fudge the record, wipe evidence or misrepresent things.

[TheCleric]

I agree it should, but good luck getting Elon to cooperate to gather the necessary data points (e.g., was FSD enabled?).