[gettodachoppa]

Can we please stop it with the victim blaming? This is the cartel's fault and no one else. I've never seen people as self-hating as liberal Americans. Only the English come close.

I mean, it's great to be introspective and self-aware of what your country is doing, but not to the degree that you put the blame for drug crime on the people trying to eradicate drug usage. The problem with the war on drugs isn't that it exists, it's that it's done limp-wristedly (mainly because of objections by bleeding hearts), instead of being waged ruthlessly.

The end result of social libertarianism results in the same thing as for economic libertarianism: misery for the majority.

[karmakurtisaani]

> but not to the degree that you put the blame for drug crime on the people trying to eradicate drug usage.

But this is exactly where the blame lies. Alcohol production and distribution related crime dropped to essentially zero once the prohibition ended.

[trog]

Don't "social libertarians" want drugs to just be legalised so they can be produced by local businesses and thus cut off the flow of cash to criminals?

Wanting more Clear and Present Danger-style ruthlessness in the war on drugs (after decades of failures of varying levels of ruthlessness) I guess is an idea if you don't care about body count and collateral damage, but just feels like without legalisation it's going to be a complete waste of time.