[PostOnce]

Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada?

I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow.

For example, the cartels are robbing fuel [depots, refineries, regular gas stations, etc]. They'll keep doing that, it's profitable.

So, how can Mexico solve its own problems? I have no idea.

[computerphage]

Part of the answer is climate and geography. It's just meaningfully different south of the US than north of the US for drug production. And this is not limited to just mexico, a lot of non-mexican-produced drugs also traffic through mexico.

[foogazi]

> Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada?

Does Canada produce Marijuana and Cocaine ? Mexico is an agricultural producing country

> I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow.

Mexico was already in trouble before the drug trade kicked off

Low education, low productivity, limited opportunities

How many Canadians jump the wall to wash dishes in the US ?

[PostOnce]

> Does Canada produce (farmed narcotics)

But why don't they produce world-leading levels of illegal synthetic narcotics, purely in search of profit on the American illicit market? If farming isnt viable and drugs are massively profitable, why does Canada not suffer from the allure of American dollars?

> Mexico was already in trouble

I agree, but does that mean Mexico cannot solve its problems without an American Savior intervening?

I have begun to wonder if it's ever possible for a poorer country beset by corruption to be helped in any meaningful way by outsiders, or if change necessarily has to come from within.

[hollerith]

>But why don't they produce world-leading levels of illegal synthetic narcotics, purely in search of profit on the American illicit market? If farming isnt viable and drugs are massively profitable, why does Canada not suffer from the allure of American dollars?

There is less production of narcotics in Canada because Canadian law enforcement is more effective at suppressing it than Mexican law enforcement is.

[foogazi]

> but does that mean Mexico cannot solve its problems without an American Savior intervening?

No

But it’s a shared problem as most of the drugs trade targets the US

Mexico has a much more limited budget to deal with interdiction efforts

A weed or powder suddenly being very valuable creates a lot of problems in a poor country

In the 80s Rafael Caro Quintero offered to pay off Mexico’s foreign debt from drug proceeds

Mexico attacked drug producers and in turn they responded by arming themselves

Drug money buys a lot of guns, guns buy power, rinse repeat

[orwin]

If the country participate in global trade, I don't think it can end corruption by itself without violence.

[tptacek]

Probably because synthetic opioids are mostly made in Asia and imported?

[ipaddr]

The war on drugs in the 80s was focused on Colombia and disrupting Pablo Escobar's coke empire. That was successful but caused production to move closer to Mexico. Everything was stable until the national army took over policing enforcement in 2006 and now you have many 1000x more murders. Some of the murders that are reported as cartel murders can be national army murders. It's a different situation that resolves itself when demand drops.

Canada was winning best weed strain at shows but was never really supplying the US. The US was supplying Canada with weed/coke from Mexico and premium California bud if Canada was lucky. I'm sure some BC bud flowed south but everything was small operations.

[PostOnce]

That tells me what happened, but not why? (I appreciate the detail, though)

Why isn't Canada a major narcotics manufacturing center? Why is Colombia?

I think the answer is probably complex and involves poverty (meaning switching from lawful occupation to unlawful occupation is a bigger difference than in, say, Canada) and corruption/lawlessness (which may also be consequently tied to the poverty, if corruption is a way to escape it).

It must surely go much deeper than "it's America's fault", and I think it may also be solvable without American intervention or action (though of course, it would be harder)

[raincom]

Well, just as every country in the world wants to export stuff (clothes, commodities, manufactured goods, all the junk available on aliexpress) to the states and other rich countries, so do the cartels and criminal gangs in poor counties. They export to wherever they can make maximum profits. With respect to Cocaine, coca plants need rain forests, so one is left with Colombia, Peru, etc. Opium poppy is grown in Asia; Mexicans started poppy plantations in Sinaloa, they can make heroine.

Mexico is completely avoided when cocaine is sent to Europe from South America. Albanian mafia, Italians, and others use ships to transport cocaine from South America to ports in Europe. Mexican cartels are hardly involved in this. Same logic: why export to UK and other wealthy EU countries? More profit. If they were to sell cocaine to Iranians or Nigerians, they aren't going to make much money. Nigerians are also involved in Cocaine smuggling, because Nigeria is a transit point for some cocaine shipments from South America to Europe. Nigerian gangs get paid commission in cocaine for their help in transiting cocaine through their ports, so Nigerians sell the cocaine they obtain as helpers. That's why Nigerians use mules to send cocaine to India and other countries.

If Mexico were richer than Canada/USA, yes, people would be exporting drugs to Mexico.

[ipaddr]

A few things: climate. Canada has a small growing season and can't grow the plant to make coke.

Canada is a first world country with a social safety net. The risk/reward to crime doesn't make as much sense

Canadian's culturally inherited laws and culturally attitudes from Britain. Canadians are more fearful and morally against breaking small rules.

Canada's population is too small to produce the qualities needed

The US/Canadian police work together.

Thousands of Mexicans are coming to the US daily for a better life. Canadians have the same standard of life the average American.

Canadians are Americans. Most Canadians can look on their family tree and see relatives that came from America.

[tptacek]

I'm guessing the climate has a lot to do with it, plus the huge amount of land you need to cultivate enough coca to produce cocaine (Canada having historically a stabler rule of law than Bolivia or Peru), plus the availability of extremely cheap (or, effectively, slave) labor for the cultivation.

If this begs the question "why is Canada more stable than Columbia, Peru, or Bolivia", apart from the fact that those are developing countries, it's worth remembering that the United States was aggressively and violently intervening in their politics into the middle of the 20th century. The same can't be said of The Maple Leaf States.

[lazide]

Pretty sure Canada isn’t between South America and the US.