[junon]

I think you don't understand the meaning of the black bar if "commercial value" is one of the metrics.

[vkou]

Steve Jobs received one - by which criteria, if not commercial (to other people) value?

It certainly wasn't for the warmth of his personality, his impeccable business ethics, or for his libre open-source contributions.

[mdp2021]

> by which criteria

Historic value.

[vkou]

And which category of important-enough-to-be-historic contributions has he made?

[skyyler]

Take a moment to reflect on what you're doing right now.

You're turning a celebration of life for a _very_ recently departed figure into a pissing contest.

Extremely distasteful.

[vkou]

I think you're misunderstanding the direction and intent of this subthread.

You're right that talking about Jobs is off-topic, though.

[mdp2021]

«Contributions», debatable; «value», debatable; "impact", cannot be ignored.

It is probably best if we stick to Doug Lenat and postpone the meta to a more neutral occasion: Doug Lenat has just died.