[santah]

9 and 12 boys.

They carry dumb phones for calls only (we gave them one when they started going on multi day trips from school or outside of it at age like 6/7).

They both have laptops and can game on and communicate with friends and classmates.

They have old iPhones they sometimes use at home (with no sim cards). Those don't leave the house and are very rarely used (mostly to chat in friends groups).

They don't watch youtube (except for music sometimes). They know what TikTok is (because all their friends watch it), but they don't (currently) have interest in it (mainly because we've had long talks about how terrible doom scrolling social sites and short videos is).

If at some point we give them smart phones with sim cards, we'll heavily restrict social media sites and apps, but I plan on keeping the dumb phones in use for as long as possible (hopefully until 15-16).

[eimrine]

Thank you for sharing! Music is a pesky topic because all the really good music is always on torrents. There are no good music on yt because of at least lack of organization of tracks/albums/discography, lack of lossless and of course lack of a decent search. But as we perfectly know, there is no way in exposing the child to the torrents but not to a porn.

[guilherme-puida]

> There are no good music on yt because of at least lack of organization of tracks/albums/discography, lack of lossless and of course lack of a decent search.

I don't think children care too much about any of those problems, though. I used to listen to music on a cheap radio player with an usb stick and I thought it was the greatest thing ever.