[rayiner]

I don’t subscribe to the George W. Bush idea of “you’re with us or against us.” Saying that it’s not the role of US billionaires and corporations to weigh in about the affairs of sovereign foreign countries is not a defense of what’s happening in those foreign countries. It’s about people staying in their lane.

[dctoedt]

What's with this seeming worship of sovereignty? "Sovereignty" is simply a pretty word for "collective might makes right."

[rayiner]

Sovereignty is the recognition that the basic unit of the international order is the nation, not the individual. Recognizing sovereignty as the highest principle is also necessary for pluralism to work. If western nations think that individual “rights” in other countries is their business, then their infringement on the internal affairs of other nations—with violence—will continue unabated.

[mthoms]

The op was asking what we, as individuals, could do. You argued (very poorly) that we shouldn't do anything simply because it's none of our businesses.

When pressed on that (here and elsewhere in this thread) you keep pivoting to talk about what the US government, billionaires and corporations should or shouldn't do. But that wasn't the question asked.

I can only assume you keep pivoting to that angle because those are easier arguments to make and involve considerably less self-reflection.

[rayiner]

In pivoting to that angle because the article criticizes billionaire that owns a major media platform for not leveraging that power to criticize a sovereign country’s domestic laws.

[mthoms]

Maybe start your own top level comment thread if you want to talk about that; You specifically replied to a person asking what they can do about it as an individual. Peacefully.

You told them that it wasn’t their place to do anything. When asked to justify your position you invoked “Crusades 2.0” and George Bush.

You’re being blatantly disingenuous.

[rayiner]

You think individual citizens failing to mind their own business don’t fuel America’ “democracy and liberation” wars? Along with immoral and destructive economic sanctions on countries like Iran?

And OP’s use of “we” and “taking down MBS” aren’t consistent with your characterization.