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by Gwypaas 1018 days ago
I agree the stance is old-fashioned, but nuclear is not the solution in 2023. We correctly attempted it in the 2000s, it did not deliver, lets learn from that experience. Who would finance another Flamanville [1] or Vogtle [2] today?

The research is clear, every cent invested in nuclear power prolongs the climate crisis. [3]

> On both costs and speed, renewable energy sources beat nuclear. Every euro invested in new nuclear plants thus delays decarbonization compared to investments in renewable power. In a decarbonizing world, delays increase CO2 emissions.

The recently nationalized debt laden French nuclear behemoth EDF can not even finance new nuclear plants without direct state aid. [4]

> (Montel) French utility EDF is unable to self-finance the construction of new nuclear reactors due to its EUR 65bn debt and so needs state funding, CEO Luc Remont told a hearing of France’s lower house on Wednesday.

Meanwhile Germany are raking in tens of billions by simply selling the right to build off-shore wind. [5]

> Germany’s first dynamic bidding process, covering four offshore wind zones with a combined capacity of 7 GW, has generated EUR 12.6 billion in proceeds, according to the Federal Network Agency.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogtle_Electric_Generating_Pla...

[3]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S254243512...

[4]: https://www.montelnews.com/news/1511372/french-state-must-fu...

[5]: https://www.offshorewind.biz/2023/07/12/breaking-germany-rak...

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From 5:

> With the award, the successful bidders are entitled to the implementation of a planning approval procedure for the construction and operation of wind turbines on the site as well as the right to connection and grid connection capacity, the agency said.

So how much will that grid connection cost?

It would be great if these auctions were “clean”, in the sense that no taxpayer money would be needed to build these offshore wind farms. But I doubt that is the case.

In Sweden the grid connection for off-shore wind farms have been said to be in the 15-30% range of total cost.

On the other hand, the question is where the grid ends and a power plant begins. Previously when the grid owners and power generators were the the same utility the question did not matter, grids were built to accommodate the locations of nuclear plants.

Countries have gone in different directions on this. In the UK the off-shore wind farm builders are responsible for their grid connections while in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands the grid operator pays for it.