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by phlakaton
1019 days ago
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I think I generally agree. A student getting stuck on something doesn't mean they're not learning. To the contrary, those can be some of the times the student learns the most. In the case of them not "getting" pointers, for example, getting stuck might reveal they need to go back and solidify their understanding of the memory model, or how data is represented. These are good things to know you don't know! Even getting stuck on yak shaving can pay dividends – having the student carefully compare their command to the instructions, learning what does and doesn't work, and patiently building experience with their tools. Even if they feel like they're doing nothing, they're probably learning. So I think the major problem with self-study using online CS materials isn't people getting stuck per se... it's that those materials are no substitute for teachers and a cohort of learners. Some people do just fine without that support! Others do not. |
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I agree, its like 'level up' in a video game :) but I think it is very hard to not despair when you are hitting your head against the wall for too long. If you check the learningprogramming[1] subreddit it is full of stories of people giving up.
It seems in programming, maybe because the pay is so high, the intersection between good teachers and good programmers is not very high.
I read a some of papers investigating `how to teach mastery` and was comparing tutors vs tools, and the very best results were from tutors + tools (sorry I tried to find links in my history but couldnt). Tutors beat tools, Tools beat not getting any help, but even the best tools were not substitute for a teacher.
Maybe now with chatgpt the tooling will greatly improve, for example having an random error most kids just give up and wait for next lesson to ask a question, but now they can just past it in chatgpt, and most importantly they can ask chatgpt the stupidest and most embarrassing questions that they would never ask in class, or to their teacher.
[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/