[depereo]

Absolutely. Causing a stampede or crush being the obvious example.

I do get baffled by the absolutionist statements about the freedom of speech. Speech is a side-channel into violence.

My country has a censor's office, for example. Some 'speech' is literally illegal to possess. Government ministers aren't free to speak state secrets in public. It's not legal to disclose the names of persons with judicial name suppression. Even parliament representatives can't speak just anything into the parliamentary record.

I live in New Zealand. It's not that bad to have limits and structures that enable the majority of real freedoms for people.

[cmh89]

It's part of the American creation myth that's drilled into our heads as children.

The Alien and Sedition Act was passed in 1798 which made it illegal to critique the government. Eugene Debs went to prison for advocating for draft dodging in World War 1.

Part of is a lot of folks either can't or wont see the difference between "free speech" and "consequences for your actions".

As Americans, we've never had more free speech than we have today. Most of our history is filled with censorship from media to actual human beings being arrested for wearing the wrong clothes. Of course, a lot of those free speech absolutist cheer censorship laws when they are targeted at LGBTQ individuals.

[pessimizer]

> Eugene Debs went to prison for advocating for draft dodging in World War 1.

You're trying to rewrite this into a Whig history, but we're obviously backsliding when we're prosecuting people under the Espionage Act.

[yanderekko]

>My country has a censor's office, for example. Some 'speech' is literally illegal to possess.

And it's embarrassing. The KiwiFarms exchange with New Zealand after the Brenton Tarrant shooting (are you even allowed to mention his name? Hope I'm not getting you in trouble here) was one of its prouder moments.