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by seanmcdirmid 1023 days ago
Lived, sorry, typo, for 2 years. I’m pretty familiar with market street. Heck, I worked right next to the Caltrain station for a year, that area isn’t the nicest.
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"Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch.

I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.

>Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market.

Your definition of "many" differs from that of the rest of us. I lived in that exact area for years. As I said, there is no comparison whatsoever between there and the problem parts of Market Street in terms of homeless (whether defecating or not) or other things, like public drug use. To claim otherwise is a blatant lie.

>I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones.

I have only visited Detroit once, years ago, so cannot personally make a current comparison between the two. SF has not (yet) reached the point where (as I remember seeing) entire blocks are completely burned down and empty, but that's hardly a high standard to meet. The people here who are making the Detroit comparisons aren't saying otherwise; they are warning that we may see a similar civic collapse, in kind if not necessarily in scale.

>SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.

Ah yes, the old claim that "[insert city here] gives bus tickets to their homeless to go to San Francisco". Maybe this happened in the past, but 87% of surveyed homeless have lived in SF for more than one year, and 35% for ten or more years. <https://sfstandard.com/2023/05/22/san-francisco-homeless-peo...>

They don’t have to give them bus tickets, tickets are cheap enough on their own, or open tickets are given easy enough. If you have ever ridden greyhound for a long distance journey, you’ll notice they pick up a bunch at each prison, and these people get off at SF, LA, Portland, or Seattle. No surprise, good weather, you won’t die if you live outside.

Self reporting surveys are useless as data. You can ask a guy doing heroin if he has ever done drugs and he’ll say no. It’s like, sure, what else are they going to say?