[senttoschool]

Let's not ignore the fact that Muslim Uyghur were/are causing terrorist acts on innocent people. This never gets brought up for some reason.

China has to deal with domestic Islamic extremists. It deals with it by mass re-education camps. This idea isn't unpopular in the West and if Western governments could muster up the will power, they'd do it too. At least it's far better than going to war, like what the US has mostly done against Islamic extremists. The west labels these camps as genocide to paint it as "China bad".

Nothing is ever black and white.

PS. Don't use personal attacks. You don't know me. I don't know you.

[yorwba]

I wasn't trying to attack you, I was merely curious whether you specifically picked the username to clearly signal your stance or whether it was a coincidence.

[tamimio]

>fact that Muslim Uyghur were/are causing terrorist acts on innocent people.

Bring the facts, don’t claim something is a fact without backing that up.

Also, according to leaked documents, the whole community, incl kids women and innocents, were subject to these actions, assuming there were some “terrorist acts” -still need your citation, preferably not from CCP backed media-, you go only after who committed these acts, legally persecuted through a fair court, but documents showed otherwise [1] and you can read summary of these here [2], according to these leaks, you are religious extremist if you are “Telling others not to swear”, “Not allowing officials to sleep in your bed, eat your food and live in your house”, “Not letting officials scan your irises” ,”Wailing, publicly grieving or otherwise acting sad when your parents die” and worse of all “Being related to anyone who has done any of the above”, that among other atrocities were committed like rape or harvesting the organs (see articles in my previous reply). When the government say “extremists” you need to look carefully what were these actions, grieving on family definitely isn’t one, but those are all usually the stages of genocides [3] and it seems it’s already on the 10th stage. These all go under the assumption there were no false flags [4] to start with, a way to justify the genocides later. Bringing other countries atrocities as an excuse is even worse, and I don’t think I need to explain why.

[1] https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/explainers/the-leaked-documents/

[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-25/china-cables-beijings...

[3] http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/

[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

[yorwba]

The most high-profile terrorist attack was probably the one on Tiananmen Square in 2013, for which the Turkistan Islamic Party claimed responsibility: https://www.smh.com.au/world/turkestan-islamic-party-islamis...

[tamimio]

Sounds extremely like a false flag like I said, an exaggerated car crash followed by a pre-recorded message, nonetheless if true, whoever did it and pleaded guilty, should be punished, obviously not a genocide for a whole province.

[yorwba]

If Abdullah Mansour himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Mansour was actually a plant acting as part of a false flag operation, then who isn't?

[dirtyid]

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?expanded=n...

There's about 100 attacks attributed to Uyghur seperatists over the years. This is 101 information. One would need to be mentally challenged to think PRC false flag 100s of terrorists attacks killing 1000s in their own territory over past 20 years as setup for XJ securitization. The reality is XJ is a poor, frontier region with restive minority that got radicalized during era where PRC had poor infra to XJ and couldn't assert control over population. 100 attacks (that western DB can indentify) doesn't happen without support base, either in sympathies/affiliation/funding. So entire region/minority gets the boot, punish those who needs to be punished, reeducate those who needs to be reeducated, even if behaviourly remotely adjacent to seperatism, and a few years later, zero terrorism attacks.

False positive excessive? Yes. Even in 2019/20 PRC estimates 5 years of strike hard caught ~13k terrorists in ~1500 organized gangs, ~30k people for ~5000 illegal religious activities. All of which is to say, even if you take CCP official figures, magnitude more people were wrapped up in securitization than the 40k attributed to terrorism problem. But that overbroad dragnet ensures you don't replace 1 terrorist with 2, and targetting 0.1% of the population to prevent future attacks is basically no shit correct political decision for domestic serenity. Which makse the entire genocide narrative even more retarded. PRC could trivially actually genocide, as in destroy, 100% of Ugyhurs in a few weekends with pocket change, but chose laborious/expensive reeducation system and securitization architecture that will need to be put in place for decades precisely because it doesn't want to genocide. If only because it would look bad on Xi's hagiography to reduce 55 minorities to 54.

The fact is, if Xi was Obama, he'd be collecting his Nobel Peace prize by now.

[senttoschool]

Absolutely. Unfortunately, the West has decided to label it as a genocide when the West has actually committed genocides in recent past.