[ftxbro]

> That's very easy to say until it's your partner, mother/father, or child on the other side of that assertion.

The idea isn't that poor people will get life extension, it's that families of billionaires will get it. And no it won't "trickle down" life expectancy is actually decreasing in USA despite tech gains.

EDIT: downvote me if you want, you know it's true

[ajmurmann]

Didn't most of the additional deaths come from COVID, drug overdoses and suicides? While those are terrible and need to be addressed, those don't seem to be related to availability of medical treatment.

[toomuchtodo]

Deaths of despair are linked to economic system configuration, pushed by the wealthy to remain static. Similar story with US healthcare.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819...

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/whats-beh...

[ajmurmann]

>Deaths of despair are linked to economic system configuration,[..]

Sure there is a correlation between deaths of despair and poverty. However, the argument here was that healthcare advances won't tickle down with the evidence being declining life expectancy. That's a totally different claim. As of 2021 over 90% of Americans had health insurance coverage and AFAIK the vast majority of proven, legitimate treatments are available to those insured people. (sauce: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-27...).

>pushed by the wealthy to remain static

What class war, conspiracy nonsense is this? Do you think "the rich" get together once a year, smoke cigars and discuss what policies to convince everyone of in order to keep the poors down because they are idiots who believe the world is a zero-sum-game?

[toomuchtodo]

> Do you think "the rich" get together once a year, smoke cigars and discuss what policies to convince everyone of in order to keep the poors down because they are idiots who believe the world is a zero-sum-game?

Sort of. No cigars though, just "how can we solve the poors without giving up what we have?" Notice no public policy or tax increases to actually solve the problems.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna30851839

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/republican-do...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/bilderberg-group-me...

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/30/18203911/davos-...

[toomuchtodo]

https://newrepublic.com/post/175199/ceo-worker-gap-stock-buy...

[__MatrixMan__]

If each person would be better off if there were fewer people, then you're looking at a zero sum game.

If some groups have outsized resources to play that game, it wouldn't be surprising if they found themselves playing it. There doesn't have to be any conspiracy. Unless they take steps to interrupt the process, people's behavior naturally aligns with whatever is best for the group they feel they're part of.

It's how we got racism and lots of other toxic garbage. To pretend it doesn't exist is to give it a place to hide.

[ben_w]

The rich and powerful need everyone to use any such tech, even if only to find the edge cases where it doesn't work right.

That the USA has a seriously messed up healthcare system and declining life expectancy is a problem for the USA, and part of the reason I didn't move there.

[inglor_cz]

"in USA"

Because the rest of the world does not matter?

If there is a working longevity treatment, do you think that other nations will tolerate it being used for US billionaires and no one else?

Literally everyone ages. 8 billion potential patients on the planet, with the population still growing. If you sell the cure for USD 100 to half of them, you make a lot more money (real money, not just market value) than Elon Musk.