[bontaq]

The part I've been trying to explain to coworkers is that the union isn't just for software engineers at the company, but for the support staff as well. We have it good but I have seen support and sales staff get bullied pretty hard.

Sure you might not even get a raise with a union, but perhaps those same benefits of remote work when needed, unlimited vacation, and an hour lunch can be extended to every worker at the company.

The most expensive workers teaming up with the least expensive to give them more power is a good thing, I think.

[gochi]

Funny enough, that's probably the worst way to convince engineers due to the belief that is rooted in this field which is both rockstar qualities and a false sense of security due to companies (so far) overpaying to reduce talent pools. So bringing up support staff and sales usually results in the mindset that they should just switch fields.

Instead talk about sports unions, like the NFL Player Association, and that usually gets them re-evaluating all they've been previously understanding about unions.

[ThrowawayR2]

Funny how proponents have to talk about sports or actors' unions to sell developer unionization because we aren't sports players or screen actors. Try talking about what actual engineering unions do instead, like the SPEEA.

(Frankly, I can't think of any unions of engineering professions aside from the SPEEA in the US and I couldn't find any in a casual Google search. Anyone know of any? And if there aren't any, well, people might want to think really hard about why.)

[deprecative]

> And if there aren't any, well, people might want to think really hard about why.

The Conservative's demonization of unions for the last several decades seems to have worked quite well.

[nvm0n2]

And I've seen support and sales staff bully software engineers, often for being too white or male for their liking. So they should unionize on our behalf, for fairness and justice?