[wahnfrieden]

Consumers demand it, and we chose a society that mostly freely provides goods for consumer demands. So is your issue with the free market, or is it toothless consumer elitism

(I don't mean this reply to be a defense of the market either. I'm asking you to evaluate what is core to your criticism)

[timeon]

> Consumers demand it, and we chose a society that mostly freely provides goods for consumer demands.

Except for Ad industry and marketing.

[akira2501]

The presumption that all advertising is merely crass mass manipulation in order to force consumers to do things they otherwise wouldn't want to do is, I fear, continued elitism.

And in the context of this discussion, you might be asked to prove that straws are used purely because of the manipulations of marketers.

[kwhitefoot]

So why do advertisers do it?

[akira2501]

There are tons of reasons. New location just opened. New product is available. Improvement to old product was released. Inventory clearance sale is about to happen. Seasonal businesses that are just entering the season. New consumers who might not be familiar with the products available to them.

I work in a business that serves a lot of local advertisers. We do take national and agency client business, but the majority of our work is with local businesses. They do it because it works. People hear the ad and foot and digital traffic to their locations increases.

Advertising is just a market. "Advertisers" are just people with a business who want to reach consumers. I'd be far more comfortable with the case that, as a market, it should be policed by some administrative agency, and like most administrative agencies over the past few decades they're likely asleep at the switch and so the market shows obvious signs of abuse.

This is why I, and the other poster, take some umbrage to what seems to be a very simplistic elitist take from you. This is a market. It has benefits, and it has the potential for abuse. Rather than looking at this as a social problem that simply needs basic agency actions to be solved to defend those benefits, the rather radical idealism of destroying the market entirely gets bandied about a little too comfortably.

[wahnfrieden]

Only because they are outbid. Individual consumers won't pay as much as advertisers will to keep ad space empty.

[sixstringtheory]

I concur with your first statement to the extent that people ab initio demand straws and aren’t mostly just failing to examine why everything already comes with one, but your question presents a false dichotomy.

My problem is with poor education and critical thinking skills, and the anti-intellectualism on display whenever you see full-grown humans stamping with their fingers in their ears because “I just want what I want!”