[ta8645]

Pick your poison. For all its flaws, I'll still take citizen journalism over corporate interests. The MSM abdicated its journalistic responsibility in favor of activism and manipulation; they caused this as much as social media did.

[marban]

CJ suffers from the same cases of activism and even more extreme tribalism – I'd rather read 3 different newspapers than follow a guy on Twitter who starts all his tweets with #BREAKING.

[mypastself]

Amusingly, that’s exactly what CNN was doing the last time I turned it on.

[bregma]

"citizen journalism" is what we used to call rumour, gossip, and hearsay. It still is.

[nonethewiser]

Take that as a signal. The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more. I can appreciate that people might pick “unreliable“ over “actively manipulating.”

[JumpCrisscross]

> messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more

If your information diet is television, sure. If not, there are obvious and almost daily advantages from being properly informed relative to the large number of Americans, including some wealthy ones, who think they can roll their own open-source intelligence through gossip-like media.

[ImPostingOnHN]

> The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more

no it hasn't, and no they don't

this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people"

some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that "people" don't trust science

just say "I" instead.

[rayiner]

The overwhelming majority of people don’t trust the mainstream media: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-re...

“28% of U.S. adults say they do not have very much confidence and 38% have none at all in newspapers, TV and radio. Notably, this is the first time that the percentage of Americans with no trust at all in the media is higher than the percentage with a great deal or a fair amount combined.”

According to Pew, Americans trust the media about as much as they trust “big business” (which is not very much). https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-...

You must be in the minority of people who trust the media. :-)

[ImPostingOnHN]

I'm no expert in proofs, but one would think the first step in proving "people trust gossip more" would be getting the numbers on what percentage of people trust gossip :)

here's a good resource helpfully shared by another poster here, showing that 61% of Americans trust national news orgs and 71% trust local news orgs: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/27/u-s-adult...

I'll need some data showing a greater percentage of people trust "gossip" before I believe the claim that that number is larger than 61 or 71%

[AlbertCory]

> no it hasn't, and no they don't

wow, that's sure persuasive.

Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."

[ImPostingOnHN]

almost as unpersuasive as the original claim that it has, and they do - a loud minority opinion if I ever heard one, and one that deserves no more effort refuting than you spent proving it in the first place (none)

open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, because the article disagrees with you

[Dalewyn]

And that is still (marginally) better than what the commercial and political propaganda machine we call "journalism" has become today.