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by cauthon 1032 days ago
When was the last BioWare game that was actually excellent? ME2 in 2010?
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Are you kidding? The third title in their famous Baldur's Gate series just came out and everyone is talking about it. It's being called a triumph of PC gaming and a return to form.

Oh wait. They only made the first two. (The answer to your question is ME1)

Mass effect 2 was much more polished, even if it did lean more towards action than RPG. I personally didn't like Dragon Age inquisition, but it was widely acclaimed and was the company's most successful launch at the time.
Did Bioware even make either Baldur's Gate game?

I thought they were just the publisher, Black Isle was the developer? Do I have that backwards?

Edit: I looked it up and I do have it backwards.

You might also be thinking about Planescape Torment, which was developed by BlackIsle with licensed BioWare technology (the Baldur's Gate engine). As far as I'm aware, Planescape Torment is the closest BioWare has ever gotten to the creation of an excellent game.
BioWare developed the Infinity Engine, BG1 and BG2. Interplay was the publisher. Black Isle was an internal division of Interplay and box label. Black Isle developed Icewind Dale 1 & 2, and Planescape: Torment using the Infinity Engine.
Reread the parent. They were attempting sarcasm.
No, I got the joke. I'm fully aware that Baldur's Gate 3 is not related to Bioware at all.

Also that Larian is basically eating Bioware's lunch right now because Bioware has dropped the ball on Dragon Age which would occupy a similar space to BG3

It's actually even funnier that Larian is doing it by using a franchise that Bioware built 20 years ago.

Dragon Age hasn’t occupied a similar space to BG3 since Origins.
Gameplay wise I would agree.

But generally I think many people who love these games are in it for the writing, the character romances, the storyline, and the exploration. In this regard, Baldur's Gate 3 has a lot of similarities with Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition, and presumably Dreadwolf whenever that comes out.

The individual details of the mechanics are less important to many.

You've actually misread bluefirebrand's comment in this case.
Except the infamously underwhelming ending, ME3 was excellent.
This. I got through like 98% of the game thinking "What is everyone on about? This game is amazing..."
Doesn't mean it's not a valid criticism. See also: Game of Thrones.
I dunno, I really enjoyed Dragon Age: Inquisition... but it was also my first real exposure to BioWare, so take it with a grain of salt.
You should play Dragon Age: Origins. It's a lot tighter, way less filler. I look at these games with a million copy-paste quest markers and "points of interest" and just know there's little actual substance there.

Or you can play Baldur's Gate 3 like everyone else is now :) The DnD systems take a bit of getting used to. The game is an excellent story-telling experience, despite that ("despite" in my opinion).

I had a lot of fun with Inquisition, but the MMOish world design and the fact that so much core plot was hived off into Trespasser makes it hard to call the game truly excellent.
Good news, they've got several other, better RPGs :)
Baldur’s Gate 2, which is also BioWare’s best game.
I Love Shadows of Amn but I'd personally rather play Icewind Dale :)
Icewind Dale was amazing. I feel like Tyranny is IWD’s spiritual successor as a great game lost in a bigger game’s shadow.
I also prefer playing IWD, the pacing is much better without so many fetch type quests, and the tactical situations seem more interesting.
Dragon Age: Inquisition 2014 was quite good. Not as good as origin, but far better than dragon age II.
I really enjoyed Andromeda, even though everyone shat on it.
MDK2
They made a 2? I remember getting the demo disk of MDK from GamePro Magazine AGES ago.
Ya, but the first was made by Shiny Entertainment.
Kotor 2
Kotor 2 was Obsidian, not BioWare.
Provided you use mods and community patches, sure. I had to replay all of Nar Shaddaa, and kept getting the bug where it's skipping all the dialogue. (Also, I felt my ending was underwhelming.)
Never been able to get past a game breaking crash bug so I've never finished KOTOR2 sadly.
Deus ex mankind divided was a great game that just feels like it ends too early. Apparently square enix is to blame for that.
Not a Bioware game. They have no involvement with that franchise at all.
BioWare had nothing to do with Makind Divided or Human Revolution.
Mankind Divided was developed by Eidos Montreal, not Bioware.