[mike-cardwell]

My point was that defaults matter, and your default is not privacy preserving. Yet you claim to be a "privacy first" service. There are many email clients which do not download remote content by default. I would argue that they preserve privacy better than Skiff does.

[amilich]

What mail providers block all remote content by default?

[mike-cardwell]

I don't have a list for you. I would have thought you'd have this data yourself given the business you're in.

[amilich]

Yes - privacy focused mail providers offer this as an option but do not enable it by default. Mainstream mail providers do not even have it as an option.

[mike-cardwell]

Are you joking? I've never even come across an email client or provider that doesn't have options to toggle loading remote images. What mainstream mail providers don't have this option?

The only difference between your option and other providers are:

1. Yours doesn't even work. It still loads the remote images. It just doesn't display them

2. Yours has the wrong default.

Your "block remote content" option is even worse than just forcibly loading remote images and not even having the option in the first place, because it tricks the user into thinking that it will preserve privacy, like it does for other providers, but it does not preserve privacy in your case as it still loads the images.

[amilich]

No, I'm not joking. We do have this option, and it's consistent with the defaults across private mail providers. Still waiting for your list of the ones that don't load images by default.

It does not load the images. That's just patently false disinfo.

[mike-cardwell]

> No, I'm not joking. We do have this option, and it's consistent with the defaults across private mail providers. Still waiting for your list of the ones that don't load images by default.

If you read back, you'll see I wrote email clients and providers. But I'll note that you have not provided a list of clients or providers with privacy defaults that are worse than yours.

> It does not load the images. That's just patently false disinfo.

It absolutely does. You have no idea how your own product works. I literally showed you a tool where you (or anyone else) can verify this yourself in a few minutes: https://www.emailprivacytester.com - By the way, I am the author of this tool, and your email product is the least privacy preserving email product on the market right now.