[javascriptlol]

A better idea would be to just build a small system whose security was obvious. Computer scientists are right to mimic mathematics. They're just mimicking it too directly. Mathematics is based on construction from simple axioms and cross-checking of different theories. Computer systems should be reduced to small parts with redundant checks against human error. If you prove a kernel "correct" that just means it will be that much harder to rewrite it if it turns out not to be what you wanted.

[alexgartrell]

I've read many of your comments on this thread, and I believe most of them to be unrealizable for non-trivial applications. Anyone can write a simple web-service, but how does one write a super low latency network file system in such a way that "security is obvious?"

[javascriptlol]

Your accusation is useless because the PL tools don't solve this problem either. Currently the only tools we have in networks are cryptographic and social, and those are not provably secure. And the point is that what is considered "non-trivial" nowadays is actually "monstrously huge and self-serving". A computer is just a tool but people want to build a whole world in there. And after that they become addicts, leading to absurd rationalisations about how we need more to cure us.

[javascriptlol]

Why downvote? HN has really gone down the tubes. Why do peopel who downvote harmless comments without a response get downvote privileges?

[lusr]

Wasn't me (I can't downvote) but I have had a similar experience in the Go thread so I share your frustration. This is the reason I stopped visiting Reddit.

[willvarfar]

I just downvoted you because you are saying something dismissive about someone who has clearly spent a long time studying the alternatives and making a balanced informed decision.

Now it may be that you have some great insight but your post doesn't seem to give me any epiphanies.

[javascriptlol]

Well feel free to let software rot into pure shit under these continued rationalisations. What a great service you're doing to the users.