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by cassianoleal 1035 days ago
> In Ireland, observers from multiple parties observe the votes as they are counted and publish their own numbers realtime (see tallymen).

Same used to be the case in Brazil. In fact, the people counting the votes were members of the public, chosen prior to the elections.

I know quite a few who have been in vote countings. The stories they tell are not very reassuring.

Electronic voting was and is a major source of democratic stability in Brazil.

Edit: to those downvoting (fair game, it's your vote to cast!), care to explain your reasons?

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I recall in the elections of 1994 that I was in a voting center (a school) and two things did not let my mind since then regarding the voting system back in the day: (1) candidates representatives arriving with buses and more buses of people that received money to vote in someone (in those days with a BRL strong like USD) and (2) During the votes counting endless amount of ballots being trashed way due to people writing silly things or some other reasons.

My mother used to sell things to people during the entire election day, and when we went to discard part of the trash in the school we could see ballots on the thrash.

On top of that, in some places we had complete network of fraudsters responsible for ballot register (Guia/Boletim de Urna in PT-BR) and counting (apuração in PT-BR) that some voting sections did not had blank/null (voto em branco/nulo in PT-BR) plus had sometimes 3x the original amount of people in the final counting.

I said that because even if the system is not perfect today, would be a bad decision to go back to that system.

Some of the things that used to happen during counting:

- Blank ballot papers being filled out by the person counting;

- Votes for legislators were done by writing the candidate's name:

\- A lot of those were illegible so counters would "take a guess" (really just count to their candidates)

\- Sometimes the same name could be attributed to different candidates, including from different political sides. Same result as above.

- Criteria for what to do when in doubt would sometimes change mid-counting. Counting would take many days even when everything was going fine, so people now would have to make a decision between restarting the counting (and run the risk of facing the same situation a few days down), or adapt for the remaining votes and essentially make it a gamble which side of the criteria your vote fell.

- People were tired (again, it would take days in the heat of the summer in a closed room with a bunch of strangers) so they would make mistake.

- People just couldn't count sometimes.

I could go on...