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by drorco 1041 days ago
So essentially one giant blob of cosmic background radiation was at the time its light was emitted, the size of an atom or so?
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Kinda but different scale, the CMB era universe was about 1100 times smaller than that now, so still huge.

There may be a neutrino background behind the CMB, where the universe was even smaller, and the gravitational wave background behind that with even more of a size difference.

Would the universe in those other 2 older events have been 2 orders of magnitude smaller still? Have there been any estimates made for the sizes in each "event"?

Are there even more events further back, or is the next one after gravity the big bang?

What a fascinating subject, thank you for expanding my own little universe!

I'm skim-reading on mobile right now, so here's some more information, but I didn't see anything about how much the universe expanded since 1 second after the big bang, which is the relevant number for the neutrino background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_neutrino_background

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_decoupling

and for gravity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave_background

Plays right into the white hole theory, interesting
As in a white hole is the big bang? That has a kind of poetic symmetry to it, with black holes (big crunches?) being the end, and white holes being the beginning of our particular universe.

But our universe has black holes in it. Forgive the layman thinking, but does that mean we're just one of an infinite series of "nested" universes?

The energy in our universe is not unlimited, so perhaps each black hole spawns a new universe, and each has less and less energy in it. Think about, WHY is there a certain amount of energy in the universe? Why not more or less. Maybe it's just universes all the way down.
The cosmic microwave background radiation didn’t appear until the universe was about 380,000 years old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

So CMB is just 14B years old? Then why we see objects older than CMB? Moreover, why these older than CMB objects appearing in front of CMB?
There were no objects before the CMBR. The universe was so hot that atoms couldn't even form. Once it cooled to the point where hydrogen atoms came into existence, the CMBR became possible. I'm talking at the limits of my knowledge, so allow me to refer you to this video by Fermilab that's pretty good.

What is the Cosmic Microwave Background? -- https://youtu.be/AYFDN2DSVgc

I think OP's question related to the observable universe vs what is beyond. We see the CMB (and thus our limit of light) only to a point, but that doesn't mean there's nothing beyond that - otherwise we'd be the literal center of the universe (I recall an old minutephysics video[0] on this).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4c-gX9MT1Q

We ARE the center of the universe. Just like any other point!
We dont see galaxies older than CMB.
Yep. This is the problem. Why CMB is emitted at the edge of our Universe only? Where are atoms, which produced the CMB?
Because the “edge” of our universe where we see the CMB is not a point in space we are viewing in real time that is currently emitting the CMB.

That edge is a sphere in space that was far enough away when the CMB was emitted in the past that we only see the light from it now.

Yep, but this sphere must have radius up to 14Bly, to be part of BB.
> Why CMB is emitted at the edge of our Universe only?

I thought CMB was emitted everywhere.

The CMB is everywhere, but it was emitted by the initial formation of neutral hydrogen (from plasma) in the early universe. When people talk about the CMB being far away they're really talking about the last scattering surface, which is that early plasma as seen 13+ billion years later.
CMB is produced by atoms, right? We see darker/lighter regions in CMB, so we should see a transition somewhere. 300M years is very short period of time, unless everything cooled very very uniformly, which is not the case. Sometimes, somewhere there must be a galaxy past CMB.