[danwee]

> Otherwise, you are mostly just coming for economic reasons, and countries don't need that.

You sure about that? For example, there's nothing better for a country like Germany to have an inmigrant who has:

- got a bacherlo/masters degree in a different country other than Germany

- has a job in a German company and earns well above the average German citizen

- pays tons of taxes

- is relatively young (between 20 and 50 years old), so doesn't get to use the health care as much as others

Besides, European countries are getting old (the 'population pyramid' is getting inverted) so they definitely need young people that work (and it doesn't even really matter if they are skilled people or not; what's needed is people in the age of working and who can spend some of their earnings in the country)

[mhroth]

All true. But they don't need people showing up just to gripe and complain.

[DocTomoe]

Oh, griping and complaining are favourite German pastimes. A foreigner who has those two down already is halfway integrated and about to get citizenship.

[thecopy]

But they are not just griping and complaining. They are also working, contributing to the culture, and paying taxes. They are a part of the society, and their perspective should not be ignored, disrespected and ridiculed like it is by so many in this thread.