[dealuromanet]

What you said is unbelievably stupid. Society resulted in science and technology which drastically increased life span and health span for the majority of people who have lived and are living. Society has lifted billions out of poverty and created wonderful opportunities for the average person who would've otherwise been a peasant living a short brutish life unable to learn and enjoy things.

We all participate in society, work in society, build society, rest in society, and benefit from society. People who paid their dues doing these things receive retirement at old age because of society. You can find edge cases where society isn't perfect, but none of these edge cases will justify the sweeping claims you made. You threw the baby out with the bathwater big time. You're pretty much advocating for anarchy and chaos.

Economic systems and religious systems exist because they are useful abstractions. Sometimes they map onto physical reality and correctly measure and explain the movement of commodities and as a result we get a more connected world and more trade. When the abstractions don't serve us well anymore, they get upgraded to address new complexity. That is why we have economic theory. Sometimes these abstractions map onto human emotions and lived experience across the spectrum of ages to give people hope and to answer the questions science cannot. That is why we have religions.

They're all beautiful, they're all abstractions that are useful, and they exist because everyone wants them to. There is no conspiracy by the old to subsume the young.

[carlosjobim]

You have replaced God with "society" in your mind, and that's why you attack me with religious fervor, forgetting polite behaviour. There is no society and has never existed any society. It is a common myth, designed to organize people and to let some groups benefit at the expense of other groups - and to always let old people benefit at the expense of young people, because old people are not fit to compete.

"Paid their dues" is one of those myths, that translates to telling young people that they owe old people something for being born. Which is of course a lie, nobody is born indebted.

If "anarchy and chaos" is the option to having your blood sucked, I know what I chose.

All human progress is thanks to individuals who have made inventions and discoveries. Since modern man doesn't believe in God, and is too proud to acknowledge the greatness of their fellow man, they instead turn to the fairy-tale myth of a "society" who they say made everything possible, saved the whole mankind from slavery and poverty, and so on.

Feel free to do what you think is good for "society". I will do what's good for me and my fellow man.

[dealuromanet]

God made society.