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by shakow 1038 days ago
Why would we want to spend so much money to transition to driverless transportation? Just take PT if you don't want to drive.
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Not OP, my issue with public transport is mostly the "public" part. At least on the DC metro, its not uncommon to see people getting harassed and MPD doing nothing about it. I've personally seen a drunk man pissing in the corner and watching it get carried by momentum through half the car. Sure, it's probably like a 1/50 trips you see something bad happening... but its still enough for me to prefer personal transportation.

The other half is the stuff you can't do, like carry large items or eat on the train. Just got some large boards for a DIY project and stopped by in-N-out. ~10 minutes there and back. Would have taken an hour w/PT, couldn't carry materials and couldn't stop for food. With a driver-less car, I could still do that.

I'm not suggesting any money go towards paying for driver-less lanes atm though. Still feels way too early for that.

The answer to those problems is more public transit (in the US, it's mostly working class - if we make it normal across the socio-economic spectrum, people will demand more of it), more bike lanes, and safer spaces for pedestrians.

If it took you ~10 minutes to get to the store, it's probably ~2 miles by car. Maybe a bit further. That's easily done on a bicycle (not for large boards, but easily doable for moderate grocery runs or other regular errands). Or, a bus/tram - might take a few minutes more waiting for it to arrive at each end, but still not an hour (if it runs regularly enough, which it obviously doesn't).

>If it took you ~10 minutes to get to the store, it's probably ~2 miles by car

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its closer to 7. Speed limit is 70 mph for most of the drive, haha.

Even if it was 2 miles, that's gonna be close to 30 min each way, an hour spent just on commuting for groceries. I don't think I could justify it tbh, and I like biking enough. I'm usually just carrying stuff though, if I'm leaving the house to go shopping.

If it was going to/from the exact place, perhaps. It's just so convenient to grab the keys and not have to worry about schedules or arranging how you'll carry everything back.

Perhaps if I lived in a city and it was my only choice though.

I fail to see how more public transit would solve the drunk-guy-pissing-in-the-corner issue.
If public transit is normalized (used by the majority of people, particularly those with money and some political power), those people will demand enforcement of "don't piss in the corner" laws. The problem today is mass transit (outside NYC and a few other places) is largely used by working class with neither the means, power, or time to push for change.
It's not bad reasoning, though I just want to point out that NYC has tons of public transit, used by both working class and non-working-class people, and those problems persist.
Well, that stinks. I haven't been to NYC since I was a kid.

How do other countries solve this? Is it just an off-hours thing, or a problem mid-day?

I'm all for public transport, and I don't think this will happen but...

Because driverless cars are safer, faster and more efficient.

...than what, regular cars, or public transit?

Good public transit is WAY safer and more efficient than cars of any sort. It could be faster, too, if we prioritized it over cars like much of Europe has.

> more efficient.

Beg your pardon? How is 2.5 tons of steel to carry a handful of people more efficient than a tram?

Private trams? Sounds worse than private cars to me.

Public trans? I already said I'd support that, but it's not on the menu is it.