[Zetice]

So your response to, “ww2 was a long tome ago” is to pull an example from ww1?

Feels like you’re not getting the point there…

Western society learned the lesson from those awful events; they’re therefore not going to happen again.

[danShumway]

> Western society learned the lesson from those awful events; they’re therefore not going to happen again.

"But it couldn't happen here" is so widely understood as a fallacy in thinking about how fascist movements operate and spread that it's become a meme at this point. There is no reason to believe that America would be incapable of mass-discrimination against a minority group.

But for the 4th time now, my more relevant response to your dismissal of the holocaust is:

> Society has improved slowly, via heavy investment from anonymous activists and advocates who put themselves in harms way to improve it. Every single one of those activist movements relied on privacy. Quite frankly, there really aren't many examples of social movements that have improved society that haven't heavily used privacy and anonymity to aid them. Certainly at the very least this displays a startling lack of knowledge about the history of race and gender in America.

> If that's not enough, consider that there might be a reason why we literally have laws preventing the requirement of disclosure of sex/race in hiring today? Consider the countless studies about how anonymity benefits the ability of oppressed groups (particularly women) to participate in public spaces online, consider that the Supreme Court has very directly said that anonymity and privacy are an essential component of 1st Amendment rights. You also still really haven't grappled with the fact that multiple states today are pushing to get access to medical records and social media messages both to prosecute people and label minority groups. These are not issues that are affecting only one or two people.

[Zetice]

Which is just another form of: “because it harms one person ever, we can’t accept it.” An argument we’ve already established as absurd.

You keep repeating the same logical mistakes, so you shouldn’t be surprised when I repeat the same refutations

And to be clear, the only person dismissing the holocaust here is you, by equating it to something completely different.

[danShumway]

> "because it harms one person ever, we can’t accept it"

Not a single one of the things I mentioned above only affects only a single person. The current harms in America today are sizable enough and severe enough to justify privacy. None of this is niche. If you think that current discrimination is something that only affects one or two people, you are burying your head in the sand.

Anti-discrimination privacy rulings did not get affirmed by the Supreme Court because it was a niche issue. The numerous anti-hate groups today (who all collectively agree with my point of view that modern privacy matters) are not focusing on niche issues. The essential privacy protections that allow for modern advocacy that you seem to take as a given are not niche issues and they affect huge swaths of the population.

Your math is wrong.

> And to be clear, the only person dismissing the holocaust here is you, by equating it to something completely different.

Gosh, you should let the ADL know that they're dismissing the holocaust: https://www.adl.org/resources/news/politics-privacy

[Zetice]

Ok either this is a niche issue or its the next holocaust. It can’t be both.

Your complete inability to be consistent in your argument kind of does my work for me. Look at the contortions you have to make to argue against the simple idea that western society isn’t doomed to repeat its worst mistakes.

If you had a good argument you’d have given it by now.

[danShumway]

> Ok either this is a niche issue or its the next holocaust. It can’t be both.

Your lower bounds on what qualifies as "not niche" is the hecking holocaust? Holy crud.

The holocaust was one of the single largest mass-death events in modern history. It is possible for a thing to be serious while not being worse than the holocaust. That is not a binary.

[Zetice]

Nope, that’s your phrasing, not mine. I didn’t call anything here “niche”.

I also didn’t bring up the holocaust, that was also you.