[verdverm]

The claim above is that Pulumi uses an imperative interface and that it is quite easy to slip past the declarative guardrails, so in most cases Pulumi is imperative, not declarative. The fact that Pulumi makes this separation opaque can be discussed, as can the clear separation be shown an alternative with benefits

The claim I keep seeing from Pulumi folks is that Pulumi is declarative, which is is not, as shown in multiple posts by many people. Please stop calling it such, it demonstrates dishonesty towards users

[jjnoakes]

The claim above was that a for loop implied that the code couldn't be declarative.

> Please stop calling it such

I'm not claiming it is always declarative, I'm only claiming that a declarative example above can contain a for loop, and that laughing at that is the wrong response. That's it.

[verdverm]

> Please stop calling it such

That was more me yelling into the void or larger thread than at anything specific you said, sorry :]