[willcipriano]

I'm in the west and I'm often the only person in the room who is aware that the US has been murdering children in almost a dozen countries around the globe for the past two decades. Like they are vaguely aware on a surface level but they haven't really conceptualized the fact and say things like "Russias unprecedented invasion!" dramatically and as if they had a moral leg to stand on.

[vxNsr]

Unintentional collateral death in the pursuit of preventing much bigger tragedies is in no way comparable to an intentional conquest and indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets. Not to mention the direct molestations and mutilations that the author has extensively documented. And of course the many attempted cover ups (culminating in the attempted assassination).

The moral equivocating is absolutely despicable.

Has the US killed children? yes! Was that ever the stated or unstated goal? Never.

[Aerbil313]

In the pursuit of preventing much bigger tragedies? I can't speak of my anger rn. The IS is found and fed by America. They indiscriminately kill muslims and non-muslims, they don't behave like muslims at all and for some reason (?) they never touch Israel. All so that you can tell a hecking lie to come and murder our kids and rape our wives, and plunder whatever resources in our hands! To afterwards award the man who destroyed seven countries with a Nobel! I'm once again reminded that there is no modernity, it's medieval age all the way down, all the kings of west war for nothing but their power! We muslims are in no way inclined to harm you, GTFO of our countries!

[lobocinza]

They behave like Muslims historically did.

[Aerbil313]

No. Muslims did jihad, not terrorism. See the difference directly in a meme from the eyes of a leading Muslim news platform: https://muslimskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/photo_3...

In addition to that, it's strictly forbidden to plunder or steal, or harm women, children and elderly in the Islamic jihad. Pretty high standards the USA cannot and would not even dream of achieving. Snowden revelations come to mind.

[lobocinza]

Ideals were not always followed in practice. Early Christians were pacifists.

[kunley]

Thank you for this comment.

I would add, contrary to that, physical eradication of certain parts of society has been and is the goal of Russian rulers. (Ukrainian hunger, Ukrainian dams in 1930s - the purge of Ukrainians didn't start February last year)

[mistermann]

Westerners are also experts in using language like an expert musician can play an instrument, always impressive to watch.

[spopejoy]

The slavish apologizing is absolutely risible :)

The US regime has (a) committed repeated genocides including children against Native Americans and black slaves (b) perpetuated the Jim Crow laws including terror, bombings and lynchings against the black population up through the 60s (c) invaded or directly supported lethal coups, dictators and genocides in Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Indonesia (d) overthrown governments and participated in assassination plots in South Vietnam, Congo, Iran (e) supported Saudi Arabia in their shameful war in Yemen. An incomplete list to be sure.

It's not that this is worse or better than [some other nation]. It's just that it's bad and pretending that the regime "meant well" is indefensible.

[b112]

Nuance, and context is everything, and you're missing a lot of those in your statement.

Even a drunk driver, who hits a child, is seen differently than a sober driver who purposefully decided to run one down.

[lordlimecat]

>the US has been murdering children in almost a dozen countries around the globe for the past two decades.

Do you want to spell out what countries, specifically, you have in mind here?

[willcipriano]

Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Somalia from the top of my head.

That isn't to mention CIA backed coups, etc.

Isn't it weird most Americans can't name, much less find on a map, the nations they are at war with?

[justsomehnguy]

The most 'amusing' fact here is what a country with 1.3M army doesn't even have any hostile nation at it's borders, so it's forced to literally go to other side of the planet to fight with anyone.

[dash2]

I'm perfectly aware of the US's flaws. What Russia is doing - a war of conquest against a democracy, involving war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide - is not morally equivalent.

[Aeolun]

I think it’s mostly a matter of scale. The US does all of those things (maybe not genocide). They’re a lot better at whitewashing it.

[jjtheblunt]

You’re not the only American in this room to have noticed things like that