[thijsvandien]

For me it's the opposite really. Every time I touch Linux, I'm overwhelmed by how messy it is. I spent hours upgrading an old Ubuntu box serving as a Ubiquity UniFi Controller and ended up in some kind of dependency hell. While trying to fix all that, disk space ran out. Then I had enough, whiped the whole thing and in 5 minutes installed the FreeBSD base system. A handful of binary packages and a couple of edits to config files later everything worked perfectly. It all feels so clean, with a minimal number of processes running.

[yetanotherloss]

My experience dealing with Linux over the years can be summed up by the exclamation "oh my fucking god can you people just PICK ONE."

There are certainly arguments for why the variety of replacements for simple, old, well trod and tested system tools are improvement and yet my 20 year BSD installations get on mostly fine without them and I'd be hard pressed to describe what they're missing in practical terms other than very specific stacks like Docker.

If you live in devops I can see that being a big deal but for the service functions themselves there is something to be said for leaving minor things at "good enough."

[ransackdev]

Running out of disk space isn’t the operating system’s fault

> Then I had enough, whiped the whole thing and in 5 minutes installed the FreeBSD base system. A handful of binary packages and a couple of edits to config files later everything worked perfectly.

There seems to be some confirmation bias here. Is writing an iso, installing an OS, installing a “handful” of packages, and configuring everything not somewhat equivalent to the “messy” alternative of upgrading Ubuntu? I bet they were very close to the same amount of work, but one might have seemed like more, or more daunting, due to your experience and preference for bsd. Just throwing it out there

As for Ubuntu upgrades, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and do-release-upgrade have always worked well for me, though I hardly ever do a major version upgrade and opt to do a fresh install after the first minor point release. If you were jumping major versions or a few major versions, of course packages are going to give you a hard time. I imagine a fresh install might have gone as seemingly smooth as the bsd route you took. Anyway, hacking is hacking, keep at it!

[thijsvandien]

You know, 10 GB should be plenty for what that machine is supposed to be doing. On Ubuntu, initially it was, but after several upgrades (despite cleaning package caches), not any longer. FreeBSD takes less than a fifth, and I know that isn't going to change much. Am I desperate to save a few gigs? No, it merely illustrates how much of everything there was that I didn't want there to be. Now the output of top fits in my small console window. It's about feeling in control.

Surely experience must be factored in, but I consider it a fact that Linux is less coherent and more prone to changes. Evolving quicker can be a benefit, yet for my server applications it simply never is.