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by BizarroLand 1046 days ago
>The market forces are sufficient

Try explaining that to people who lost tens of thousands of dollars or more in missed transactions due to Google's fuckups. I'm sure they will be consoled that one day if the right fairy farts in the right direction google will stop screwing people over in this particular way.
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Avamander 1046 days ago
That's a business risk alright. Some other AV vendor or RBL might list you as well.

Inevitably anti-phish solutions end up with false positives, but it's utterly out of the question and silly to ask everyone to stand down defenceless.

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BizarroLand 1046 days ago
I get that you're deadset on defending googoo no matter what, but surely you have to agree that the fact that they made browsers block access to your site AND that you have no ability to do anything about it short of filing a lawsuit or waiting for them to get around to fixing it if they ever do is unconscionable, right?

I get that it's a service.

I don't get how not having human intervention available to fix it when it goes wrong is defendable business practices.

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Avamander 1046 days ago
> that they made browsers block access to your site AND that you have no ability to do anything about it short of filing a lawsuit or waiting for them to get around to fixing it if they ever do is unconscionable, right?

So do AV vendors. What specifically makes it not okay for Google? Have you tried delisting a website from other vendors' products? Microsoft SafeScreen?

If you want to hate on Google doing (or not doing) something, do it based on criteria that can actually be fulfilled.

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ImPostingOnHN 1046 days ago
considering the topic is google's wrongdoing, discussing google's wrongdoing seems appropriate

your repeated attempts to deflect to literally anything except google's wrongdoing makes it seem like you think google should receive special treatment versus the others you're deflecting to

if not, then take your issues with others up with others, or perhaps in a discussion about others, rather than in a discussion about google's wrongdoing, which we can discuss here

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Avamander 1045 days ago
You're trying to discuss Google's inability to be perfect, I'm trying to give you a chance to ground this discussion in reality. So far you've dead-stuck on hating Google just for the sake of it, even if they'd deserve it, you're making the discussion ridiculous and useless.
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ImPostingOnHN 1045 days ago
you're refusing to discuss anything google has done which is imperfect

I'm trying to give you a chance to ground this discussion in unbiased reality

so far you're dead-stuck on defending google's decisions to harm people, but you've still failed to articulate a valid defense for it ("they also did good thing" is not a valid defense)

you're making the discussion (which, remember: is about google's wrongdoing) ridiculous and useless by refusing to discuss the topic and instead attacking people who do for "hating on google" or whatever other paranoid persecution fantasies you dream up

if you don't like people discussing the harms google is doing to people, why even join a discussion which is literally about that, and why attack people for discussing it? why not just move onto the next topic whose very existence doesn't personally offend you, and leave everyone here alone?

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