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by cscurmudgeon 1045 days ago
> Eh I would say Socialism as practiced in Western Europe and the Nordics is doing better

It is not an easy comparison.

They have the luxury of the US taxpayers taking care of their defense while they propped up Russia, which US is also paying the most by a large margin to fix now [1, 2, 3]. Hilariously US socialists are against US defense spending except when it comes to US spending on Europe.

They also have the luxury of oil money which American "socialists" are totally against [4].

All in all, a pretty neat scam if you ask me.

[1] https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88764 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEycjREgPE [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain...

[4] https://www.barrons.com/news/norway-earns-record-oil-gas-rev....

Edit: All of what I say is objective. Luxurious Western Europe and Nordic "socialism" can't survive without gullible US taxpayers footing the bill over decades.
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camgunz 1045 days ago
Arguably the US caused the Russia problem with the aggressive expansion of NATO, and the failure to defend Crimea, so this seems fair. Also the US produces a bonkers amount of oil; dunno what your point is here.

EDIT: how could I forget Trump's undermining of NATO, cozying up to Russia, and withholding aid to Ukraine?

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cscurmudgeon 1045 days ago
1. NATO doesn't need Russia's permission to expand.

2. All I am saying is socialism that exists due to the benevolence of capitalism and exploiting nature is not real socialism and is not sustainable.

3. > how could I forget Trump's undermining of NATO, cozying up to Russia, and withholding aid to Ukraine

Wasn't Trump the one who warned the snickering Europeans against Russia? Even if that is the case, it doesn't go against my point #2.

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