[paganel]

> and kidnapping of its people into slavery

Genoa and Venice are still highly praised in the Western world even though they did the same thing, I haven't heard any tourist complaining that the Basilica San Marco is basically built on pillage and rape [1204].

> On September 19, 1363, a ten-year-old Tatar boy named Jaqmaq was sold as a slave in the Black Sea port of Tana. His first owner had probably been a Christian, as he had already been baptized with the name Antonio. His second owner was a local Muslim named Aqbughā, the son of Shams al-Dīn. Aqbughā sold Jaqmaq/Antonio to his third owner, Niccolò Baxeio of the parish of St. Patermanus in Venice, for 400 aspers. Niccolò also bought a fifteen-year-old Tatar girl from Aqbughā and a twelve-year-old Tatar boy from another local man.

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv16t6ckk

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople

[GloomyBoots]

You’re talking about a drop of water in an ocean. The Islamic slave trade is the most massive and brutal such enterprise that has ever existed. And the Crusades were a direct response to Islamic invasions of Europe.

Islamic culture is definitely highly influential on Europe and in turn was highly influenced by European culture, and that kinship is worth acknowledging unlike this whiny confrontational Islamophobia narrative which holds no water when you actually look into the historical context. But this whole self-flagellation thing never been about actual mutual appreciation of different cultures.

[paganel]

> And the Crusades were a direct response to Islamic invasions of Europe.

In 1204 there was no Islamic invasion in these parts of Eastern Europe which the Westerners sacked and pilfered at will.

> But this whole self-flagellation thing never been about actual mutual appreciation of different cultures.

All I see it's an inferiority complex (on the Westerners' part) that is oftentimes transformed into some sort of cultural colonialism, there's no self-flagelation in saying that, yes, for hundreds of years the West was culturally inferior to the Islamic civilisation (and to civilisations located further East more generally speaking). Fernand Braudel's works are a good introduction into that subject.